On June 11th, 2024, we discovered a set of vulnerabilities in Kia vehicles that allowed remote control over key functions using only a license plate. These attacks could be executed remotely on any hardware-equipped vehicle in about 30 seconds, regardless of whether it had an active Kia Connect subscription.
I got a decent manual for about $12k back in February. And it was one of three on the lot I was there to look at all around that price: A GTI, a WRX, and a Mini.
right before the used car market exploded i got my manual Subaru for $3400 when it was worth about 10-12k because of a misfire. yeah it just had the wrong spark plugs in it :p
and it’s about as dumb as they come. it has a radio, abs, and cruise control - no other driving assists or telemetry
Just because you can’t use it doesn’t mean a hacker can’t. If someone discovered a vulnerability in the 3g handshake or encryption protocol, it could be an avenue for an RCE.
Cool just like trying to replace a blower motor in a modern car feel free to rip the entire dash out only to find out it has a second antenna all the way in the back underneath the spare tire also behind a tail light which somehow requires you to remove the muffler to get to…
If you can… Without breaking something vital thats on the same circuit as something so non-vital as turn signals or headlights. You know from the companies so smart as to not wire all… I mean all the positive hots through the ignition or light switch… Nothing like an ignition that’s 200°f.
FWIW there is a cottage industry for OnStar disable/delete mods for GM vehicles. It can be done, usually without breaking too much else of the car’s electronic functionality.
That Civic is hands down the most bulletproof, refined and perfected k-series car Honda ever produced, or ever will, at this point.
If anyone reading this wants a V6, find a manual TL. Equally bulletproof, but with a J-series and room to stretch out and they are CHEAP for zero reason on the market. I don’t even understand it other than they don’t really have tuning potential, but as a commuter car, they can’t be beat for the price to comfort. They ride like clouds and have 300hp to punch with if you stomp them down an offramp.
The car will still work if you take the radio out or put a faraday cage around it, maybe that’ll become a thing in the future, but that might fuck with the paid charging infrastructure for EVs. Doesn’t impact gas.
dumb cars will be worth their weight in gold soon
Just like how manual cars became anti theft.
My friend has his Kia broken into and started, but it’s a standard so they ditched it hahaha
That’s if you can find one for an affordable price.
I got a decent manual for about $12k back in February. And it was one of three on the lot I was there to look at all around that price: A GTI, a WRX, and a Mini.
I went with the GTI
right before the used car market exploded i got my manual Subaru for $3400 when it was worth about 10-12k because of a misfire. yeah it just had the wrong spark plugs in it :p and it’s about as dumb as they come. it has a radio, abs, and cruise control - no other driving assists or telemetry
The fun tax is real… except unllike the poster below, I was looking for a Base model Subaru and not the WRX (even though the WRX is a bucket list car)
Huh?
most car thiefs can’t drive a manual transmission
Oh right in the USA there are mostly automatic cars
My car got dumbed for me because they killed the 3g network it was running on
Just because you can’t use it doesn’t mean a hacker can’t. If someone discovered a vulnerability in the 3g handshake or encryption protocol, it could be an avenue for an RCE.
Especially when there are no security updates anymore. They should just rip out any possible receiver there is for mobile communication
Honestly if someone manages to figure that out I would want to know, that way I can finally use my cars remote start 😄
I wish, but most people don’t know / care about this stuff, it’s not going to really percolate into the public consciousness .
According to the dealership my car isn’t worth it’s weight grass clippings because it’s too old.
lol it’s not the dealers who will want them
You could just find and disable the wireless modems.
Cool just like trying to replace a blower motor in a modern car feel free to rip the entire dash out only to find out it has a second antenna all the way in the back underneath the spare tire also behind a tail light which somehow requires you to remove the muffler to get to…
Or just pull this fuse for the module?
If you can… Without breaking something vital thats on the same circuit as something so non-vital as turn signals or headlights. You know from the companies so smart as to not wire all… I mean all the positive hots through the ignition or light switch… Nothing like an ignition that’s 200°f.
brb, i have a muffler, a spare, and an entire dash to remove immediatly.
You’d probably have more luck installing a signal jammer in your car.
The best you can hope for is a rootkit and some Linux-based OS for cars to be developed so you can take full control.
FWIW there is a cottage industry for OnStar disable/delete mods for GM vehicles. It can be done, usually without breaking too much else of the car’s electronic functionality.
I’d rather poke the GSM modem with a screwdriver.
if you can find it, and all it’s backups…
Also, jammers are illegal pretty much everywhere.
i fucking KNEW we would be jailbreaking cars eventually.
and you bet they will come up with locked bootloaders.
Not only what that other person said but it would probably void the warranty too.
Happy to have my 2012 civic. One of the last gens without a telemetry unit I think.
I drive a 2014 si
That Civic is hands down the most bulletproof, refined and perfected k-series car Honda ever produced, or ever will, at this point.
If anyone reading this wants a V6, find a manual TL. Equally bulletproof, but with a J-series and room to stretch out and they are CHEAP for zero reason on the market. I don’t even understand it other than they don’t really have tuning potential, but as a commuter car, they can’t be beat for the price to comfort. They ride like clouds and have 300hp to punch with if you stomp them down an offramp.
The car will still work if you take the radio out or put a faraday cage around it, maybe that’ll become a thing in the future, but that might fuck with the paid charging infrastructure for EVs. Doesn’t impact gas.
Fucking wot