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  • That’s literally the one main somewhat valid use case for plugins, and it’s basically because of DRM. A plugin that allows arbitrary code to run is a security nightmare, that’s why we don’t do it anymore.

    A lot of the security features you describe were added by browser vendors late in the game because of how much of a security nightmare flash was. I was building web software back when this was all happening, I know first hand. People actually got pissy when browsers blocked the ability for flash to run without consent and access things like the clipboard. I even seem to remember a hacky way of getting at the filesystem in flash via using the file upload mechanism, but I can’t remember the specifics as this was obviously getting close to two decades ago now.

    Your legitimate concerns about JavaScript are blockable by the browser.

    Flash was a big component of something called the evercookie—one of the things that led to stuff like GDPR because of how permanently trackable it made people. Modern JavaScript tracking is (quite rightfully) incredibly limited compared to what was possible with flash around. You could track users between browsers FFS.

    You’re starting to look like you don’t know what you’re talking about here.






  • Not a solution. Much of the modern web is reliant on JavaScript to function.

    Noscript made sense when the web was pages with superfluous scripts that enhanced what was already there.

    Much of the modern web is web apps that fundamentally break without JS. And picking and choosing unfortunately won’t generally protect from this because it’s common practice to use a bundler such as webpack to keep your page weight down. This will have been pulled in as a dependency in many projects and the site either works or does not based on the presence of the bundle.

    Not saying this is a great situation or anything, but suggesting noscript as a solution is increasingly anachronistic.


  • Ah fair play, I didn’t realise unrar was from the same guy, cheers for the extra context.

    So I guess we go back to what else it could be:

    • The licence could still be an issue as it’s not FOSS and parts of android are, so I guess that could prevent its inclusion if it’s incompatible with existing licences
    • The licence could also be an issue in terms of wanting feature parity with zip support, which would include creation of archives.
    • As I mentioned before, the percentage of users who are interacting with non-zip archives locally on their devices is a pretty small percentage. It may be on the backlog, but it’s not going to be far from the bottom in priority.
    • How many of the use cases are not served by the third party app ecosystem sufficiently that it would benefit inclusion in the actual OS and the extra maintenance that would entail
    • RAR is an outdated format and in decline at this point, there are better options to add before getting to it
    • Let’s also address the elephant in the room regarding the last point—I don’t think I’ve seen RARs used regularly outside of piracy in quite some time. If that’s the main use case, Google is not going to be bothered about supporting it.

    There’s probably other reasons I’ve not thought of, but just a couple of the above are enough to explain it IMO




  • I think a big part of it for RAR specifically is that it’s a proprietary format that would technically require Google to license it, and for the tiny percentage of users that would benefit, they don’t bother.

    A seemingly random but relevant example is the Japanese travel card situation with Pixel phones—every pixel on the planet has the necessary hardware to support Japanese travel cards since the pixel 6, however only pixel phones bought in Japan can use the feature (locked by the OS) because it would mean Google would have to pay a per-device cost worldwide.

    This is kinda a similar situation I’d bet, they’ve proven they would rather not include the feature than pay for licensing