get newpipe and ublock origin if you want to screw with google:
Alt nominations:
Grayjay (Android)
Freetube (PC)
Is this the reason why SmartTubeNext keeps breaking on my TV? The updates come pretty quickly but it’s getting annoying cause my $1800 OLED has the processing power of a $50 Chinese Android phone and thus takes forever to install updates.
We need to slowdown YouTube and get an alternative that is viable for people and creators. The problem in this case is creators and brands, almost no creators would continue doing videos if there’s no money at the end
The problem with money being involved is it’s an invitation to spam crap everywhere.
One of my relatives has recently taken up “AI travel videos” and “AI cute videos” as a “hobby”. No doubt based on the first thing that came up when I searched for those things, a video titled “make $10,000 a month spamming up YouTube with your AI slop”.
Oh, and it needs you to buy the AI slop generating tools that they happen to sell. How convenient!
I mean, this also happened with broadcast TV, where we suddenly went from like 4 channels filled with programs and things competing for space, to 200 channels, where the rush was on to fill the gaps between the adverts as cheaply as possible with reality show tat. And that’s all YouTube is now.
There is the PeerTube network, which works like Lemmy.
This is one the best YouTube alternative but needs to be adopt massively
Start using it and ask content creators to also put their content on there.
The other problem is storage and bandwidth.
The solution is decentralization of the web
So now the problem is sharing your IP with every member of the P2P swarm.
Not really because sharing an IP is nothing that important
Not if it used Veiled
It’s subscription based, but Nebula is creator owned I believe. Sucks though that everything free gets acquired by some extractive company.
Odysee is actually doing amazing. The interface is great and the speed is even better than Youtube at the moment.
They are however swithing their core structure from one blockchain powered storage model to another one, so at the moment it’s a bit guesswork and could possibly turn out very bad. (ArWeave bought them…)
Regarding the far right content on the platform; yes, there is a bit of it, but I have only once come across it, and I was actually browsing some categories relating to politics. So in normal usage, following content creators and checking what Odysee is featuring, you’ll not come across them. But even if you do, Odysee’s block/mute functionality works better than the one on YouTube.
Nah a little alt right content is entirely too much.
Freedom of speech for me but not for thee
See that’s the cute thing.They can have their free speech right there, but freedom also means the for most people obvious choice not to associate with nazis and other similiar troglodytes.
And as you said yourself, it already seems to be a popular hole for said miscreants, so why even bother with it.
As I said, you don’t even notice them except if you look for them.
Odysee also has very good block/muting, much better than that of YouTube.
free speech is important
Sure, but that doesn’t mean that one should willfully fraternize with idiots lol Troglodytes should be shunned, nothing wrong about that.
Something community owned and a non-profit would be good.
They’re already halfway there /s
Right, but again the problem is creators
We probably need to have some kind of business that links up people looking for ads with in video monetization. Of course sponsor block Will negate that to some decent extent.
Russia did it recently
VK Video is indeed probably close to it, being a quasi state company. Theoretically they can not maximize profit extraction in all spaces, and keep the videos without unlimited propaganda. But Rutube is a profit-seeking company that is just smaller scale youtube. Let’s see how the 1st will evolve over time.
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This sux big time, been using grayjay and it seems to be working alright thus far
That’s because it’s all local to your device.
The other day someone on lemmy kept trying to tell me that if google wanted to shut down ad blocking they would. But they don’t, so it’s ok.
Lol, spawn me that person plz.
AdBlocking is 100% OK, that part is correct for sure. Ad networks (including Google’s) routinely serve up scams and malware: It is foolish not to use a browser with a fully functional ad blocker at this point (i.e. avoid Chrome, use Firefox with uBlock origin).
As for whether Google approves: Fuck Google! They have been serving up malware and scams in their ads. Their opinion should be irrelevant if you have any interest in protecting yourself, they have repeatedly proven they cannot and should not be trusted.
If Google takes money to host an ad that’s malware, they should be able to be prosecuted for it.
This is different than simply hosting community content that they can’t reasonably moderate. They’re being given money to distribute these ads, so they can afford to moderate them.
Which should be easy anyway. Ads shouldn’t be able to install third-party shit from the advertisers on user computers. Google can easily restrict what can be included on an ad package.
Yes at this point why would any person would care what Google thinks? Google can go fuck themselves.
I’ve seen the effects on invidious these past days. 8 in 10 instances have been broken. Google is putting some serious work into shutting alternate frontends down. Shows you how much of a dent they’re putting in the bottom line.
Shows you how much of a dent they’re putting in the bottom line.
Or how desperate google execs are to get even the tiniest bump in revenue.
LINE MUST GO UP AT ALL TIMES
hopefully they come up with a workaround.
I doubt it’s denting the bottom* line as much as the recent court rulings. And I doubt it’s as much paying bills as it is paying vested interests.
I remember Hooktube. That was when front ends were still trying to play nice by accessing youtube the “right way”.
They killed that one off pretty hastily.
Invidious was the hero successor, but I think we all knew that it would eventually come to this. Invidious’ most recent fixes for blocking involve passing identity tokens, making a concession that Google is then better able to track users behind Invidious.
I’m not sure how much farther there is left to go on the technical angle of this fight.
I’m a YouTube creator, part of the partner program, and I also manually upload to TILvids. The videos I make generate about $100-$300 a year through the partner program, so I’m not a professional by any means. It feels like they’re trying to keep creators from leaving by putting up small roadblocks that limit our reach beyond the platform. Given PeerTube’s non-profit model, I see it as a potential future for content sharing. Though there are a few rock stars on YouTube, most of the creators on that platform make little to no money from publishing videos. There are more people like me than Linus Media Group.
I would guess a significant number of “creators” are motivated by the idea of eventually becoming a hit and making much more money, though. And wouldn’t really do it of they didn’t have that dream.
Not sure what percentage, though. Maybe less than I think.
Yeah its really too bad how Youtube treats other video creators. Its a strange world. Hopefully peertube (given enough time) will have some viable options or at least an alternative. Is there any other platforms that work with video creators like yourself? I personally dont know of too many other than maybe twitch? I haven’t been keeping up.
I’m honestly surprised peertube has lasted as long as it has as it is
It still lasts because there’s no easy way YT can offer their own content without the video being available as a file stream (through CDNs at googlevideos subdomains). If they centralize everything to a single, controlled domain (so to allow things as one-time HTTPS request, better session checking and so on), they’d lost the capability of load balancing allowed by the decentralized nature of CDNs. YouTube downloaders (and, by extension, third-party YT frontends such as Invidious) exploit this CDN aspect to download the videos.
It’s common to see Invidious instances momentarily blocked. The blockage can’t last forever for two reasons: firstly, IPs (especially IPv4) changes due to how ISPs offer IPv4 addresses through CGNAT, so the instance IPv4 (generally domestic servers) will eventually change (often to a completely different IPv4 range) and YouTube won’t know that the new IP is a former “offender”. Secondly, as IPv4s works through CGNAT, Google can’t keep the bans forever because this IPv4 will be eventually rotated to another client from ISP that’s completely unrelated and unaware of how their IPv4 was a former address for a downloader. It’s like how Signal/WhatsApp/Telegram/Facebook/phone-required services can’t really keep a permanent ban for a specific prepaid number (especially on countries like Brazil, where ANATEL allows for phone number rotation when the mobile plan is cancelled), because the number will be potentially owned by another person with nothing to do with the former owner.
So, in summary, Google can either end with YouTube CDNs (ditching their load balancing), or they can try to implement an innovative way to keep load balancing while serving the request one-time only, or they won’t be able to do nothing but to perpetually catch themselves drying ice cubes.
Maybe a stupid question, but how do paid streaming services avoid that issue?
Not the OP, and I don’t actually know, but paid streaming services differ from YouTube in that everyone who accesses the content is paying for the service. On one hand, you can validate that everytime a video is served, it’s served to a paying user. On the other, you are receiving revenue directly from consumers to fund the infrastructure to store and serve the videos.
YouTube, on the other hand, stores significantly more content, for free, and can be accessed for free, without being signed in.
The “without being signed in” part of YouTube is now no longer completely true. I tried to watch a video tutorial at work the other day and it wouldn’t play because I wasn’t signed in and so “they couldn’t be sure I wasn’t a bot”. I’m not signing into any personal stuff on my work computer, or wasting time creating a “work” Google account, so I guess YT can no longer be a place where I can get helpful programming info.
That might have been because of your IT team. You can absolutely watch YouTube videos without being signed in. I do it all the time.
YT likely recognized the IP as belonging to a commercial entity and threw up the block, due to bot concerns, over that .
Possibly yeah
You are spot on. The CDN simply has authentication functionality. (Or the app generates a temporary CDN URL that you’ll use)
I guess they have no decentralized CDNs as YouTube does, but… paid streaming services still have their weaknesses (there certainly are tools that fetches content from there because of, e.g: entire Netflix movies/series became torrents without screen recording).
The financial insensitive to ensure only paying users can access the content offsets the cost of the different infrastructure.
YouTube needs to make money as cheaply as possible. They can’t afford the processing to guarantee ad delivery and secure content like that.
If the infrastructure/delivery cost of securing content goes up, streaming services can raise their prices.
YT can’t really serve more ads. The platform is already pretty packed with adsYT can’t really serve more ads
They say to hold their beer and watch this…
yt-dlp remains unaffected for now.
yt-dlp is only affected when YT changes their algorithms (breaking yt-dlp data scrapping capabilities) or when it’s used frequently with the same IP address (leading to automatic IP blockage). If you’re using yt-dlp sporadically, it shouldn’t be affected.
Is there a gui interface for that anywhere? I really can’t be bothered to learn the command line just to download a couple vids here and there. Especially when freetube still works for now. But if the barrier to entry was a little lower, I’d start backing up faves.
yt-dlg for windows
This looks promising, thanks
There was a linux version but it seems to have gone poof. For Windows users there’s : https://yt-bat.github.io/
The basic command is just
yt-dlp 'www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ'tho.That will get me a minimum 1080p vid with sound? Cuz looking at the instructions, it looks a lot more complicated.
I’ve actually never looked into
yt-dlp’s default behaviour, as I’ve always been happy with the video and audio quality of the downloaded video. Probing the downloaded video from the command in my comment above yields for the videoVideo: vp9 (Profile 0) (vp09 / 0x39307076), yuv420p(tv, bt709), 1920x1080, 3751 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 16k tbn (default), and for the audioAudio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 44100 Hz, stereo, fltp, 128 kb/s (default).Great to know. Thanks for the follow up
Seal for Android is a solid client
I wonder if these services are on small cloud providers. If so then they can just block their entire CIDR.
I wonder if they were to move to GPC if they would have better luck.
Im seeing it from a residential IP. I think its more they have an allowlist rather than a blocklist nowadays. But I can only speculate. Piped stopped working a month or so ago on my personal instance and updates dont fix it. I can imagine for video uploaders, the issue is worse.
Instead of blocking IPs, Google would just shut them down
That doesn’t sound like it’s an incredibly difficult problem to solve from a technical standpoint, if the creator is the one being hit. Just need either a software package – or, if the limitation here is content creator bandwidth, service – that pushes a video to multiple streaming video providers.
Might be an issue for third-parties creating mirrors of YouTube content, though.
Yep thats whats happening here by the sound of it. TILVids is a very small instance that shares donated $$ with their creators. Its a very good way to try and keep creators on the platform.
What are some good larger/general purpose peer tube instances? Last time I checked tilvids was one of the largest I found, so I seem to have missed a lot.
Heres some options:
https://fedidb.org/software/peertube (some are NSFW/very little moderation).
I like maker-y or general kind of instances like:
Hope that helps!
Are there any clients that support multiple instances? It would improve my feed if I would see content from several instances at once.
They all do, but if im honest, I subscribe using mastodon to have a peertube “List”.
This is what it looks like:
Interesting. Gotta try that.
I have P2Play installed. It only supports 1 instance at a time. 🤷
This can be problematic for Peertube’s adoption.
If user only uses Peertube to upload, they likely wouldn’t notice a thing from this, but if it’s a creator from Youtube that’s trying to upload to multiple platforms this can cause major problems for ease of use and since the Peertube user base is small to begin with, this can potentially damage Peertube in the long run.
I’ve noticed a few people on Reddit taking about getting possibly shadow banned on YouTube, myself included. With no real explanation why? Every video just comes up as “content not available” when logged in. It started a week ago or so. I wonder if this is all related?
I took full advantage of invidious while it was still working, now I am anxious of ever going back to YouTube. It won’t be long before they requiring giving them your iris scan before watching a video on that shit platform.
Hmm. Per Facebook v. Power Ventures, it could be a (criminal) violation of the CFAA to “circumvent” IP blocks.
