• SoonaPaana@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    28
    arrow-down
    12
    ·
    8 months ago

    Why is installing a VPN considered bad? Is it because it is done without user consent? I don’t understand if there is any malicious intent.

    • can@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      56
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      8 months ago

      Brave browser has been automatically installing VPN services on Windows computers without user consent, but it remains inactive unless the user subscribes.

      They’re installing extra software that’s useless unless you give them money. Plus you really want to be aware of your VPN since all your traffic will be going through it.

      • Aatube@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        8 months ago

        It doesn’t auto enable and chromium also gives you a lot of unnecessary features. While I think Brave is bloat I don’t see how this is any more than the usual.

    • just another dev@lemmy.my-box.dev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      34
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      8 months ago

      Because a vpn can monitor all the websites that you visit. Not directly what you’re looking at, but definitely where you’re looking. Just line your provider can, if you’re not using a vpn. But at least with your provider, you have a contract with them - you pay them to transport your data and nothing more. Some very scummy providers aside, that’s where it stops.

      A free vpn, however, needs to pay for transporting your data somehow. And if you’re not paying for it with money, then who/what is?

      See also Tom Scott’s explanation about vpns, why you probably don’t need one, and why he refused their advertisement money.

      • dustyData@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        8 months ago

        It’s not even free, the service itself is a payed subscription. But it’s there and it could be working and funneling data without the user knowing it if they wanted to.

        • just another dev@lemmy.my-box.dev
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          8 months ago

          I’m interested to hear what you think a vpn will protect you against. Or what you think the flaws in Toms arguments are.

          Edit: I don’t know about you, but I trust my own, GDPR-backed isp far, far more than I trust whichever foreign based vpn company. Especially if they for it for free or cheap.

            • just another dev@lemmy.my-box.dev
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              8 months ago

              The only thing you’re “protecting” yourself from by using a vpn to surf the Internet, is your own provider. It won’t stop any spying software on your phone, or any nefarious scripts on the websites you visit.

              Tom’s argument was more nuanced than that, which is why I linked it. I suggest you watch it and explain where he’s wrong if you want to give your argument to ignore him any weight. Ad hominems and “imagined” arguments alone won’t get you very far, I’m afraid.

    • jet@hackertalks.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      18
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      8 months ago

      I agree with what other people said. And here’s a new twist.

      Any software that messes with the networking stack, can cause really difficult to debug errors. And it may induce errors in other programs. The more complicated your computer’s networking, the more fragile it is.

      So introducing, silently, unasked for, network drivers and VPN hooks into the operating system is harming the compute stability of their user base.

      At the very least, it should be opt-in! There should be a dialogue asking hey we have this new awesome feature, click okay to install it, something like that. Informed consent

    • ackzsel@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      15
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      8 months ago

      It’s “all your mail is now redirected to a third party that makes money by mining it for data without you knowing” level of nastiness. Absolutely deplorable and a reason to never touch anything made by the people behind Brave even with a ten foot pole. Brave is a scam and why people pretend its not is beyond me.

      • ares35@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        8 months ago

        that’s what the new outlook ‘app’ (replacing win 10/11’s mail ‘app’) does with gmail accounts. routes all your mail from gmail through microsoft servers before delivering to the app on your pc.

        • ackzsel@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          8 months ago

          They’re apprehending ALL of your browsing activity to their lucky vpn provider of choice.

    • ares35@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      8 months ago

      a service has far more privs on the system than a browser should have or need (which can be installed on a per-user basis, no admin/root required).