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The people who continue to say “I’m just on Reddit because ___ but as soon as ___ I’m out” were\are honestly part of the problem.
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I absolutely think that the numbers are correct. If Reddit is a habit for you you will not break it immediately (unless you really dislike the changes). This is just time spent, not how much users enjoy it. And if they don’t enjoy the content as much because the quality dropped they will start looking for alternatives. But for most that is a long term thing.
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Reddit bots and AI have returned Reddit traffic to Normal. They don’t need no stinkin’ human users causing problems.
A lot of sentiment seems to suggest that for Lemmy or the fediverse to succeed Reddit has to fail.
I don’t get that opinion at all. Reddit had become overwhelming bloated. A popular thread would have thousands of comments. Most of which would be near identical. Only the most up voted would ever be read and typically they had to have been commented while the thread was new.
The internet is vast, there is plenty of room for multiple social media to exist.
If you dislike what reddit has become then ignore it. If you still wish to use it then you can do so side by side with using Lemmy.
Without my daily traffic that’s a fact… Haven’t been back there now for 3 to 4 weeks and was a daily consumer / contributor. My relationship with Reddit has ended and zero intention of going back. I have drawn my line in the sand and I’m not supporting the recent shenanigans ! They can kiss my ass.
Kinda expected this to happen.
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Knew it
Not completely normal. I deleted my account that was old enough to sign up for most websites on its own. I’m not the only one.
Mine was 8 years old and I haven’t touched it since the protests started
I deleted mine after that disastrous AMA that the head spaz put on. What a shit show.
I’m not planning on deleting mine, I do have some good technical answers on my account that I don’t want to delete. I figure stopping participating is more important than going back and deleting it.
This is a fair point - engagement drives their dollars. Maybe I’ll save what’s useful for me on my account as long as I can find no alternatives or don’t have time to migrate solutions to another silo. Just having not opened their site in 2 weeks already feels compellingly free.
The amount of content I’m seeing over here these days lets me know that despite whatever the numbers tell you reddit lost sizeable amounts of community members and content producers. What these statistics hide is the massive dent in reddits free labor pool of mods that are likely done with the platform.
A ton of current content is produced by spam bots. As I understand it, the new changes will also affect these bots, so curious to see what will happen.
Lemmy has beyond exceeded my expectations of quantity and quality of content. I will pass by reddit occasionally but its become clear that the Fediverse concept can actually work. It has issues that need to be solved, but the minds behind it are very smart and motivated to find a way to make it keep working. The rate of PR’s getting merged into lemmy 0.18 are wild.
Yeah I’d much rather be here watching it grow than on Reddit watching it die
I’m not surprised, but you can’t forget that a lot of people on reddit don’t really post or comment a lot. I myself was one of them, I’m way more active here than I ever was on reddit though.
On Reddit if you post anything opposite the hive mind it goes off the rails. If they are talking turkey for thanksgiving and you post ham, the reaction was that as if you murdered their only child.
Here people just ask questions and converse like they normally would in the real world.
Same.
I feel like the people here are way more open for discourse, which makes it a lot less scary to voice your thoughts.
Still haven’t posted anything though, I’m not a conversation starter, but rather a participant. XD
Well, user traffic has returned to normal, but we also have to consider that it’s just traffic. Some of that traffic is also a bunch of people talking about Reddit, protesting, etc.
That being said, I don’t think Reddit will die from this, but it doesn’t need to in order for the Fediverse to succeed. All it needs is to push enough people onto federated services and kickstart it, just like Twitter did with Mastodon. We aren’t going to all switch overnight, it will be a gradual process.
Honestly, I haven’t seen as big of a push for redditors to move elsewhere.
It feels like Plan A was to protest the changes and when that plan didn’t work, there was no Plan B in sight. I saw someone suggesting that perhaps, at this point, it would be best to consider moving to another platform but the reality is that outside ModCoord I didn’t really see a coordinated effort to do that.
While everyone is likely to suffer in the long-run in terms of the quality of content, outside of losing access to some very cool apps the biggest victims of the whole ordeal have been the mods actually standing up to Reddit’s tyrannical behavior.
Reddit is beyond redemption, but for many people reddit is home and the plan now seems to be to comply with the orders and try to keep what semblance of normalcy and power each mod has rather than realizing that the point at which their votes, voices and free labor matter is over.
I hate that I’m still adding to Reddit traffic but every once and a while I still do (search item) + Reddit because it’s still better than just googling something and getting 100 terrible SEO articles about a topic.
For example. I wanted to look for DIY dog toys. I got hundreds of results with crappy clickbait, and ridden websites. Did +Reddit and got some great results.
Once I can do +Lemmy and get decent results my traffic will fall hard… I guess I gotta be part of that change, offering threads of my own with information I know. But it just seems homeless some days.
This is a good point. Because even websites which replaced others, oftentimes the older one is still there. Like even Digg still alive after Reddit got more popular. Some people say Tumblr’s dead but its really not especially for specific interests like games. The success of you isnt based on the failure of someone else, and its important to remember and not become cross because reddit still has users. Especially its been only like 10 days and a lot have already gone onto other sites.
Ok, those places are still “alive”, but have you actually gone to them lately? Digg is literally run by an ad bot who creates 99% of posts. You have to search down the list for a post that actually has comments. And of the comments that exist, it looks like a Facebook conversation with a few people, one of which is likely a bot.
Users are the content creators, whether through posts or comments. Pissing off a large portion of them will just leave the ones that don’t care about content, they just want something…anything…delivered to them endlessly. If the good users abandon the site, then Reddit will slowly turn into Digg, a link aggregator run by bots serving SEO content to users that contribute nothing more than “nice picture!”. And that’s really sad when you consider what the place once was…just like it’s sad to see Digg now.
I’m not angry with Reddit because it will survive. I’m angry with Reddit because of what I’ve lost at the hands of management that turned their backs on me. While their are alternatives that cover some of what I’ve lost, I know I’ll never get back some of it.
Digg didn’t “die” from a single change. It bled users over the course of multiple changes. The size of the waves was based on how many users were affected. The big wave was when they redesigned the whole interface.
I don’t think Reddit is done changing, so we’ll see where things go. I know that eventually they’ll kill off the old interface, and that will lose a large portion of users as well.
I am not sure I believe that, it might be that bots can be active again now that the subreddits are reopened, but I know that I am not back. And I won’t be back, and I think a lot of people are staying away as well. That the traffic is now normal seems a bit sketchy.
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I am sure some of it is spam bots. But also - a big value of Reddit is indeed in the long tail of niche communities. Many did not join the protest.
Using bots to replace users-lost-to-protest has always been the goal. All that matters is that the numbers go up.
This is good for the sale (IPO).
Twitter had the same plan–keep counting bots. Elon (or some advisor on his team), rightfully argued this point and eventually it lead to a lawsuit, that was then settled out of court.
Google and facebook have been selling “ad impressions” of questionable human-ness for decades. None of these sites have any real incentive to find out how many bots are on their platform.
the people still on reddit after the 30th when the third party apps close down, i personally believe can stay there indefinitely. these people, and i, do not exist on the same wavelength.
I definitely agree. The vast majority of people still left on Reddit are those who are corporate bootlickers and those who do not care and just want to doom scroll.
Neither type adds anything to an online community
I don’t agree that the vast majority of the people left there are bootlickers.
Most of the people left there seem to be uninterested in technology from the arts and crafts related subs and that’s what’s really missing in Lemmy/kbin.
There is no /c/woodwoking, /c/printmaking or /c/embroidery and the people that usually visit these don’t really care about the underlying tech. Most of the time they just want to share their crafts with their community and things to just work.
I’m almost certain I’ve seen a woodworking community when browsing all.
I also don’t think it’s necessarily a question of subject matter so much as that Lemmy’s user base is simply not large enough yet to sustain active niche communities, and it’s an open question if we can get to that point without degrading the quality of the less focused ones, like /c/crafting or /c/diy.
Only reason I’m still checking reddit is because RIF is still working. After that, I’ll see how much I miss it.
Yup, following up on some good comments and discussions I had, watching people migrate and just moving away from reddit completely over the next week.
People are still replying to me, and good posts are still going up. But in 6 days I will no longer be able to access it so here I am.
For me it is a different approach. I will continue to use old Reddit and RedReader (it got granted exemption, it is nearly identical to RIF, and I love using it) and keep extracting as much leftover value as possible. Some communities are just not going to migrate, like r/thinkpad or r/headphones. Also, the all time top posts on some subreddits have enough value from a decade plus of posting.
However, I will be using it far, far less because most communities’ moderators have decided to let the subreddits rot with a lack of moderation, and then to simply quit their thankless, payless job if Reddit boots them out, or if they do not want to be associated with the wastelands. I think this should have been the modus operandi of the protest right from the start, and taken to infinite time until Reddit admins kowtowed.
Most communities’ culture is formulated and fully understood only by a very few people in the world, even fewer of which can become moderators, even fewer of which can lead. Replacing them is going to be impossible. Every sizeable subreddit has years of culture and nuance behind it, not replaceable by any amount of money, unless existing ones were given bottom 6 figures yearly.
