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  • CYA is not necessarily the same as changing the substance

    why would they need to cover themselves against the scenario you’re arguing they were already covering themselves against?

    that could’ve been imagined when writing the original TOSs

    or when agreeing to them, which is literally the problem here

    you can’t meaningfully consent to every arbitrary hypothetical future scenario


  • you agreed to that too

    you know that a company putting a thing in their terms of service doesn’t make it legally binding, right?

    hence why they all suddenly felt the need to update their terms of services

    It is not very obviously different, as evidenced by the fact that it’s still being argued

    people continuing to use a bad argument doesn’t make it a good one

    I’m not expecting them to rule against analysis of public data

    tell me you haven’t followed anything about this conversation without telling me you haven’t followed anything about this conversation



  • You mean before or after all the sites updated their ToS it so that they were legally in the clear to sell user posts to AI training companies? Implying that they weren’t before? Also, are we exclusively talking about cases where sites gave consent to provide data? Rather than just having it be harvested without their knowledge or consent?

    And in any case, you’re missing the key point, which is that legality doesn’t matter in either case. You can’t fight a megacorporation just doing whatever they please unless you happen to have an army of lawyers lying around. Most consumers don’t.

    I suspect that people wouldn’t like it if copyright got extended to let IP owners prohibit you from learning from their stuff.

    Learning from things is a very obviously a completely different process to feeding data into a server farm.

    Quite why proponents of AI-generated media still think this argument holds any water after 2 minutes of thought, let alone after almost a full year to consider it, is beyond me.


  • in this case, microsoft just decided that they didn’t have to bother supporting legacy accounts because they didn’t feel like it, so they pulled them without consent or compensation

    in the case of ai generated media, companies just decided that they just had the rights to use existing published media, so they harvested it without consent or compensation

    both complaints are the same complaint: that businesses are just deciding on contracts unilaterally and then imposing them on people without the need for consent