I miss $1 jumbo jacks that were the size of a whopper…and cheesy bean and rice burritos that had pico and creamy jalapeno sauce…also for $1…now it’s like everything taste bland and is 1/2 the size for 3xs the money. It’s really shit, about the only fast food I’ll even consider these days is the hot and readys from little Caesars, but even those have dropped in quality.

Wish they would continue with lower decks :(

Guessing you didn’t read anything from the john hopkins link…like usual. Meat is not toxic, I don’t know where you got that from, calorie for calorie they are not superior in protein, and the leading cause of death of all humans doesn’t vanish because of stopping meat consumption (hint meat doesn’t turn you into a 800lb whale)…the fuck are you babbling about.

I did read it and then completely proved you’re comment wrong with actual sources to back up what I’m saying, something you completely didn’t do

This is also covered by the study and the article I shared above. It would require using more lands for crops that feed people, but that’s ridiculously small compared to the land that would be regained from stopping animal agriculture, which is 75%. Just removing cows would do the vast majority of that.

Again the majority of the land used for cattle is not suitable for crops. So unless you plan on putting houses on that land it’s not going to be used for anything anyways.

Crops for feed can be regained and if most pasture land is inappropriate for crops, some are, so we would gain from freeing those too. Furthermore, this land can be given back to biodiversity, which will also benefit us in the long term, if just protecting biodiversity for the sake of it is not a good argument for you.

O it would be great to have more biodiversity, we need all the insects we can get, but cows aren’t killing off our insect populations, growing crops and spraying pesticides are. Which don’t even get me started on organic…they use organic pesticides which are way more devastating to the environment.

Again, I am not vegan, I mostly advocate for reducing, not forbidding, consumption proportionally to ecological impact. If some people for medical reason require meat, I’m completely fine with it, this would likely be a small percentage of the current consumption.

In honesty, we need vertical farms and lab grown meat. If that could be pulled off then we’d be golden. I’m not against eating plants, but I’m not someone who likes that militant vegans come in and spew bullshit just because they want to feel morally superior to people who eat meat.

Omnivore, not obligate carnivore except for a few exceptions maybe, so we could use a low meat diet or a fully plant based diet fine.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/how-to-maintain-a-balanced-diet-as-a-vegetarian-or-vegan#%3A~%3Atext=Opt+for+vitamin+D-fortified%2CStarting+slowly.

The issue isn’t that we can’t, it’s that the majority of people already eat like crap, which meat helps fill in the blanks. If we went to all plant based, people would still eat like crap and be missing vitamin D and protein.

Also a good chunk of us are already eating a low meat diet because that shit is expensive.

In it’s natural state bison would have been grazing on it. That also doesn’t solve the gripe that vegans have which is that land could be used for crops, which really destroys the biodiversity of land. At least with cattle, you just let them eat anything that grows. Horses are usually terrible for biodiversity because people mow the land and want nice lush fields, were as cattle farmers don’t, they let the cows eat roughage which is actually healthier for them. They also rotate pastures a lot more than most horse people do.

No they do not. What source are you trying to quote here?

https://www.usfarmdata.com/percentage-of-small-medium-and-large-farms-in-the-us

Family farms continue to play a significant role in U.S. agriculture. In 2015, family farms accounted for 99 percent of all U.S. farms and 89 percent of production.

You’re sources are %100 wrong. The majority of our food comes from family farms. They sell back to the large farms for slaughter or processing a lot of the times, but those operations do not rear or grow the majority of our food.

So please inform yourself because you’re just spewing more vegan bullshit data.

https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/small_medium_large_does_farm_size_really_matter

Some more data for you…

Hell yes!

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What status quo? Lol the majority of your food comes from small farms, not these mega corps that everyone seems to think exist. Farming is a fuck ton of work for little reward, it’s why most younger people are selling their parents farms vs taking over the business.

Cool, can’t grow that shit where cattle graze. We also…once again do not feed things that we can consume to cows. It literally would be a massive waste of money.

You go eat some grass/roughage and tell me how well that fills you up.

The majority of the land used for cattle grazing is not suitable for farmland. It’s either to hilly or rocky or just plain doesn’t have great soil. Not to mention the level of crops it would require to feed people and the amount of people who just cannot sustain on a all vegan diet. There is a reason we are omnivores and not herbivores.

Lol I’m butthurt? Lol you vegans are fucking hilariously ignorant bunch. You’re like religious zealots too, all high and mighty with an ignorant levels of information being spewed to you.

…what part of the food grown is for humans and the shit you cannot eat from it is fed to cattle do you not get? You also cannot grow most food where cattle graze, as it’s to rocky or hilly or has to little water for it other than grass…

https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/50901500/px-based_v3.2/educ-matrls/pdfs/HO_what-cows-eat.pdf

No we do not…this is bullshit propagated by vegans. You cannot eat the shit cattle do.

https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/50901500/px-based_v3.2/educ-matrls/pdfs/HO_what-cows-eat.pdf

We do not feed them food we can eat, it would be such a waste to do so. We literally feed them shit we cannot consume. Feeds are made from roots/stalks/inedible plants.

The vegan industry doesn’t like this, so they say well that land could be used for other things, when in reality it’s already being used for the food that we eat.

Because they’re not about minimizing suffering, it’s about being morally superior to meat eaters and letting everyone know about it. The post I replied to, literally made that a point.

What figures are you basing your ignorance off of? The majority of the plants humans grow through crop-based agriculture are fed to non-human animals. Animal ag is one of the largest consumers of fresh (ie “potable”) water. There are ten animals living in human possession for every human on Earth. Without intensive plant agriculture, we could not possibly feed them all. Grass and run-off is not what is producing your food.

No they are not. They eat the shit we cannot eat, they graze the majority of their lives and we use non potable water to water them. The feed we feed them is not made with anything that a human could consume. It’s roots/stalks/inedible plants. This bullshit that keeps being promoted by vegans that everything a cow can eat is bullshit.

And since we are specifically discussing the hypothetical suffering of plants, why wouldn’t you count grass? You’re triggered.

Because your entire point was that vegans consume less plants than anyone else, which is basically saying “vegans are still better than meat eaters” it’s more hilarious dick wagging from you chods.

Unless you count grass and non-human consumables and non-potable water…sure…until then that’s bullshit.

I think this was a lot of people’s hangups, they expected a hack and slash, that leveled with you, instead they got a peasant for a main character who didn’t know how to handle a weapon at all without actually training. Once you figured out how to train, it got a lot easier to fight.