Prethoryn Overmind

“It wouldn’t be very effective if they did it on their own time.” - well it appears to me it wasn’t very effective doing it on company time.

In fact I would argue that the majority of these stories have a higher impact when they are very much not doing it on company time because then Google fires against the law. There are laws that protect you while protesting or going into a union in certain states. Google has fired numerous times breaking California laws for firing while people are trying to unionize or protest off the company time which I would say is more effective because it garners far more attention.

Get the fuck out of here with the straw man. Google is and has been a problem in more ways than one but they were within their rights to fire people. This is just a dumb ass question to divert right into your already justified opinion because Google is “evil” and it needs to stay that way but if you can’t see that a company has a right to fire when you are getting paid on their time then you are just as unreasonable.

It sucks for these people but you are just as much in the circlejerk on Lemmy as everyone else if your first statement is a question asking something like this because you can’t discuss it and would rather find any other reasons to just say “But Google bad.” No one is disagreeing with this that Google isn’t a monopoly, powerhouse, and abuses its uses. The point and statement here is that Google had a right to fire them.

“Google pays its employees in two ways: monthly or bi-weekly installments, and bonuses. Google’s compensation structure is based on three components: salary, bonus, and equity. Salary is determined by several factors, including: Role, Level, Location, Cost of labor in the region, and Pay targets.” Literally the first Google (unironically).

I am all for pointing bad things out that companies do but contractors can still be fired or let go if those contractors aren’t meeting performance. Tek Systems is a contractor that does just this.

“Performance is assess on the output.” - my dude you literally just said, “Google can fire them” what is it with the Lemmy brain? It’s a circle jerk in here of people talking about how they are better because they are on a defederated platform using open source tools and software but doing the exact same thing other platforms do. Boxing yourselves in justifying your opinions just to be a part of a group then claiming to have the better opinion that the “shit” you see on Reddit

Lemmy users and the platform are literally no different than others. You aren’t better because you are not a “normie” and don’t have to deal with the consequences of Windows or other OS’s. That doesn’t go without saying there isn’t knowledge and information to share learn from others and Lemmy has knowledge worth listening to but God damn if some people on here aren’t just as likely to just justify their own opinions the same as another platform and for God’s sake I get that it’s the Internet but if you can say that then you are self aware that your opinion is not completely reasonable without discussing it.

I don’t need to find another reason Google isn’t the problem because their are many reasons Google is a problem but this case is being taken out of context. If they were employees disrupting the work place and protesting on company time then Google was within their rights to fire them. If the are contractors then from a quick assessment they clearly were not performing as paid and hired to do so. Google had a right to fire these people no matter what side of the fence you stand on. Does it suck? Sure. I don’t care if you are a down with Google person if you can’t understand this then you are just flat out unreasonable and the same as any other user on any other platform.

This is sort of a shit opinion, IMO. Why should a company have to change the rules to pay me when I am not working on their time?

Keeping people productive on companies time is not a “status quo” it’s working on working time. If these employees had just protested after their shifts Google could have probably still and would have more than likely fired them either way but the point is that it wouldn’t have been on their time giving them less grounds to do so.

Why is the target of your comment towards people that use Windows?

I am not sure why People on Lemmy feel like if they point something out to people who can’t see the comment is going to get them to change their mind.

I have and use both Linux and Windows. I prefer both for different reasons.

I am seeing a lot of comments on here but the context not being mentioned is that they were protesting while clocked in or working on the clock.

Google is technically in authority to do that. The article is worded a bit out of context to make the act of protesting an a big company we all find to be evil more evil for letting employees go that were wasting company time.

I get it before you even type it I understand Google isn’t short on money and the time portion won’t effect them but has the employees protested while clocked out this would have been a less likely outcome and I also get it, “yeah they would have fired them anyway.” Sure believe what you want but it doesn’t take away that Google had the authority to fire while the employees were in their time no matter what they were protesting. If I did this at my job and was getting paid they would fire me as well.

EDIT: Lemmy is Reddit but it’s full of users in denial.

I think there is something to respect about both types of games these days.

The problem isn’t is price. “People just don’t want to pay for a bad their software is bloated with useless shit and endlessly annoying experience. What Apple Music and Spotify have in common is that user-hostile design. Plus Steve Jobs himself said it back in 2007: “people want to Own their music (reuters.com).” Having it, organizing it, curating it is half the fun.”

Fixed the post for you. I am not trying to be an ass and stated this in a previous post but people’s push to piracy is almost always to obtain what is believed to be what is becoming or is unobtainable. Price is and availability is almost always the driving force of piracy because price plays a part in availability.

I was all on board with the post until I saw, “people just don’t want to pay for a bad software that is bloated with useless shit and endlessly annoying experience. What Apple Music and Spotify have in common is the user-hostile design.” This to me is so far from the truth that I like to call statements like this the Lemmy or FOSS mentality that I see on here and it isn’t meant to be insulting. I have defined it that way because I think Lemmy users get just as wrapped up in their own opinions and personal belief system that they forget they are also in a bubble and their opinions steer far off course to justify some personal idea or hope about what is actually pushing “mainstream” people to make choices that just aren’t why average consumers are making choices.

People will 100% buy and use bad products user experience does only go so far though. I would say Spotify is as popular as it is because of its design as well as Apple Music. The features and design layout are what make their music services easier to use for most consumers that and they are popular services by word of mouth and are commonly used on the most popular devices because they are pre installed. Why have 5 music apps on an iPhone when Apple makes a music app that is already there. Point being design isn’t the issue. The issue is competition, choice, and price. There really aren’t a whole lot of options, popularity wise, outside of Apple Music, Spotify, or YouTube music. These users aren’t flocking to open source apps they are going straight to Piracy by ripping the content from YouTube directly and it is absolutely almost in direct relation with the increase in price increase. The “mainstream” user which I call the average consumer isn’t worried about Spotify’s design they want it to just function and play their music and be available and popular by design.

I was going to say that this is where I disagreed with the OP. It is 100% about price and has absolutely nothing to do with bloat or hostile design. As I wouldn’t consider Spotify’s design or Apple Music’s design choice bad. If anything they are popular because of their design choice.

If people cared about bloat they wouldn’t be on Facebook, Instagram, or TikTok. The rest of the consuming world lives in a pretty concerning place financially. Anyone who thinks it has to do with the design of the apps is either missing the point and not looking at the rest of the shit going on in the world or blatantly wants to believe Apple bad and FOSS good and I have found that to be a part of what I call the Lemmy mentality.

Because purchases not made in the App Store are purchases Apple isn’t making revenue from.

Mac already can side load and Windows can side load these days as well. Hell my fucking Chromebook that is going on, 7 years old can side load Linux software and Android applications and not any single damn one of my machines have I had a security concern with an app.

Most people don’t even know what side loading is. Apple was hellbent on stopping it because it stops revenue.

Elitism: the advocacy or existence of an elite as a dominating element in a system or society.

What you just described is exactly how elitism works. I understand the hate for Facebook and all of Meta’s products. However, this is exactly how gate keeping starts. I don’t want to see the fediverse go anywhere more than the next person but it becomes contradicting and hypocritical to the entire establishment of the fediverse if Lemmy or other federated apps begin to decide who can and can’t be federated. That is the whole image right? To prevent gate keeping and to establish that not one person owns any one portion of Lemmy, Mastodon, etc. However, what happens when an entity on Lemmy does start deciding to defederate a Conglomerate starts making decisions just like Facebook? The does Lemmy not start fitting the bill of not being able to tolerate the intolerance as well? To me that becomes elitism the very thing Lemmy users swear is a perfect system.

I don’t believe Meta is good for anyone or anything but Lemmy users need to understand that you can’t say, “we are different.” And then justifying the very contradiction of being exactly the same by just saying, “Facebook takes freedom.” I don’t like Facebook infact fuck them but either Lemmy users admit they need to play the game like Facebook and that someone controls who is a part of content and who isn’t or they don’t. Just stop trying to find ways that this would be “different” just fucking say, “we want to control the content that is on the platform and who can be a part of it.” Because now you are playing the Meta game on their own terf. Just tired of Lemmy users thinking they are special.

Glad you could provide relative insight and valuable information you counter all the statements made before.

So I have one for you a tad longer,: have a nice night.

One Google search on Dextero and I will pass one using it as a source of information.

Make it 70. I am a Nitro sub actually make it 40 I have 3 other friends that are as well. Well now technically 30 because I have an additional friend in Sweden who pays for it. I have fiber my friends and I stream games the higher streaming quality is worth it. I also use Vencord to add some additional features.

More people pay for things that I think are given credit for. I don’t mind spending money on a product I enjoy with my friends.

“Discord is quickly becoming a dying service the way Skype did.” I love an opinion and skimmed through what you said but I basically quit taking this comment seriously from the first sentence on. That is because that is the Lemmy mentality. I don’t know what you are smoking, reading, seeing. But the, "it’s a dying service absolutely so far off the truth. I mean have you been keeping up with Discord. Yeah, it’s not fucking dying. It is quite literally growing and keeps continuing to do so. It is easily one of the most successfully growing platforms. When Facebook tries to copy your work, Treehouse, etc and none can quite get you then yeah, you are doing just fine. Ads haven’t killed Facebook.

Also, ads aren’t what killed Skype. What killed Skype is that it was an actually shit product/platform. I can’t remember a single damn ad using Skype because it was shit for video chatting.

“You can’t watch YouTube videos together because you can’t sign in and there are ads.” Yeah that is not why we don’t watch videos on discord. I don’t watch videos on Discord because my friends just don’t want to and ads aren’t the reason why. I would say people probably use the feature even with ads.

Also, I think you really missed the privacy part entirely and should read again. There is concern with privacy and there is acknowledgement with the privacy front hence the attempt to use more private products like Element. I appreciate the lesson though.

I am all for discussing but your comments are entirely the comments I am referring to on Lemmy. It’s not informative it’s a bubble that Lemmy users live in no differently than Reddit users. The forefront thought that because their are ads and people pay for things that their opinion on what makes something bad is clearly why something is suddenly dying. There is far more evidence to suggest, hell even support, that Discord is not dying. However, because there are ads, it’s a dying platform and that is the Lemmy mentality. Product bad because ads. Ads have been around for years and have progressively gotten worse and Chrome is quite literally still the most used and successful browser. I like to call it the deniability factor on Lemmy. The in denial that products that we don’t want users to continue using are still winning people’s usage and that Google is going to topple over any day because we are right and ads bad and privacy. The average consumer doesn’t care if they did Firefox would be doing better than Chrome.

It’s not that your points are invalid, irrelevant, or not true or don’t hold some some honesty that I wish people took more interest in. It’s that Discord is a working product and somehow users on Lemmy just can’t wrap their brains around the fact people keep using products that they think are bad or that people like me even attempt the other side and have both privacy centric apps and the opposite and still prefer the opposite.

Just curious. I have Signal, Element (FOSS version of Discord), GroupMe, Slack, Snapchat, Messenger, I have tried WhatsApp, Guilded, Telegram. I have tried a sleuth of messaging apps over the years from Web based, to niche apps that don’t exist anymore, things that would let you message users around the world. I have even tried things like taste buds and app for users with specific tastes in music.

No matter what the case I find I prefer Discord. All of my groups and communities are there. I am 28 and my friends and being weird kids at heart use things like Discords soundboard for stupid annoying sounds, to stream our gameplay, and to even venture out to our own communities for things we love. Point being Discord has had all of what I personally want and enjoy for years and more. I mean I loved Google Plus when it was around because of the communities. I use Reddit because of the communities for things I enjoy and I wish Lemmy had more of them for that matter.

My only question being, what do you think they need more off to already be better than the platform most people consider the best? Encryption? Not to charge money for subs? It’s not that Discord can’t get better. It’s that I end up on Lemmy looking for alternatives and see comments like this and people will talk about FOSS, cool I found things like amephyst and Element for my fill of FOSS apps. Even down to niche FOSS apps that I love for other things Lemmy has provided but there are apps like Discord that FOSS apps still don’t fill every need for me no matter how hard I try to pull myself away from these massive companies.

I will make comments on Lemmy, knowing where I am at. Saying things like this and saying I am okay with spending money on things I enjoy and don’t mind continuing to do so but it is usually met with comments like, “what is wrong with you.” To the point my comments and posts have either tried to bring up valid call outs that some Lemmy users don’t disagree with or me just stating we are all different and don’t have to like what others like.

I am not in disagreement with our data being hogged, our private lives being at risk and not am I opposed to try different methods and even still use methods like Mullvad, Proton products, Tor, etc.

Yet no matter how much I try these products the separate Duck address accounts I have, Firefox, etc. I still primarily use Chrome, Google, Discord. Because despite the hate and reasonable hate mind you. Those products provide what I want and work better for me for regular use and certain FOSS or even competing apps just don’t do that for me. Yet there are always comments like yours, “they need to try harder.” Just vague statements made to justify some personal belief that these companies will rupture and fall apart but they are still successful and they doing exactly what you are saying they should do, trying harder.

I don’t mean to poke or prod, start and argument because it will end in one with someone on here which just pushes users like me looking for answers farther away because I want to have discussion but turn to just that more than likely on Lemmy. I just don’t know what Lemmy users want or think they are getting at by making statements like this?

Bro, I don’t entirely disagree with this sentiment but I would argue that open source isn’t always great despite how anyone feels about it. Unless you are categorizing open source with indie games. In my experience open source games are typically not great in the slightest at all. However, I agree with this sentiment if open source is being referenced to indie games. A game doesn’t really have to be FOSS to be great.

The issue isn’t really games like Assassin’s Creed either the issue is big companies. Assassin’s Creed isn’t my game but I hear the newer ones are good. Assassin’s Creed wouldn’t need to be open source to be good.

Nah, fuck Omegle.

Didn’t Omegle have issues with child porn.

“Genuine human connection.”

Look get the feeling of talking to people anonymously on the Internet but we aren’t going to turn to robots because a video service shut down.

Fuck platforms like Omegle. Until their are better ways of restricting behavior that harms minors on platforms like Omegle I will take this as an opportunity to say, “time to move one.”

EDIT: Didn’t think this comment would open up this many issues. It is clear that Lemmy blames parents for not knowing what their child is doing 24/7 because apparently parents should know everything their child is doing. What an ideal world. I still stand by the previous statement. Fuck Omegle and fuck anyone who thinks their isn’t an issue with child predators and Omegle and the abuse that has gone in their for years.

Let’s not forget SSSniperwolfs video of asking 16 year olds to flash on Omegle and monetizing that on YouTube.

If this law passes they may very well have to.