People like Theo De Raadt might have had a fairly huge impact on killing BSD.

He might have alienated a lot of people from even considering bsd.

The Linux community also had a lot of help by vendors such as Suse and Redhat who had no problems implementing good ideas which were a bit toxic, but were available in windows. Commercial venders can make a massive difference (as well as government deployments).

The big problem has been people resistant to change

That’s the biggest issue

There are so many people in the community who attack developers.

I had a open source project which I started, it got a lot of media attention but I gave it up because so much of the community is toxic and just made me feel unsure about developing the idea further.

And lots of other developers are the same. Even with Lemmy, people weren’t going to contribute, but they targeted the developers political beliefs.

And I see so much crap talking on Lemmy here because developers choose to use GitHub or discord. If you don’t like that, contribute to the project, but don’t try to dictate the project you have no involvement in

Yeah. And honestly, way land already works fine (even screen sharing). Waydroid is a bit of a killer app too (but needs more refinement,).

Gimp runs in windows. The security thing isn’t really true (X11 isn’t secure and it can’t be fixed apparently)

In fact, as others have said, really bad comparison…

I tried it. Gave up and moved to regular fedora at the end. I didn’t see any real benefits personally

I did like many of the ideas, like gamescope is built in. But I think I had minor issues

I disagree… The problem actually is that Wayland is optional, and still is.

So everyone was dragging their heels (and some still are). If all the major distro’s set a cut off date, then things would speed up. The biggest reason for delay was Nvidia imho, so now that they’re sorted, it seems things are falling into place faster.

X11 still hasn’t solved any of their real issues, and its still a security nightmare (which can’t be fixed). Furthermore, most of the developers have moved off it.

What exactly do you like about X11?

I actually disagree. I feel it’s best to use for languages you’re good with, because it tends to introduce very subtle bugs which can be very difficult to debug, and code which looks accurate about isn’t. If you’re not totally familiar with the language, it can be even harder

My workmate literally used copilot to fix a mistake in our websocket implementation today.

It made one line of change… turned it it made the problem worse

Yeah. I actually wanted to buy one too. It’s a pity they don’t make steam machines either anymore

I hope you need a 500mb driver to use it too with an installer that pops up every reboot, even if you press cancel.

Otherwise, it’s clear that it fails at being a mouse

And nobody noticed…

Maybe calling a hero cave diver a pedo wasn’t a great idea, Elon

I didn’t even realise until the other day you need an account to use it now at all it seems.

So no surprise. In the past, I recall you could browse without a login… so of course nobody is going to put ads on it

Also, why would you want those customers?

I don’t think so. Maybe I’m missing something?

I just didn’t 20 hours so far on it

What I don’t like is that you need to finish the day for it to save

Also the wording about what happens to crops at the end of season should change

But otherwise, it’s something to do, but it is getting a bit click and pointy really. I wish you should pair up with characters more and walk around with then

Actually, I did have this exact issue last time I used bazzite, and ended up switching to fedora.

Bluetooth would just stop working. Which was an issue because I was using a dual shock as a mouse and for gaming

You can’t use a lot of apps without it

So sure you can, but it isn’t an awesome experience

I looked something up today.

Do plumbers fit shower screens? Plumbers do not usually fit frameless shower screens. Most of the time, they break the glass panels and hurt themselves. Others do not try going through the installation hassle.

The whole thing is embarrassing. The only way it could be worse could be if they harvested 4chan

Looking forward to an upgraded crossover office along with it

I don’t know how GitLab would make anyone terribly unproductive. I see many FOSS projects or even entire (proprietary) software companies choosing GitLab for source code management. In fact, the company I work at (a government contractor) uses GitLab, as well as many other FOSS tools. And it’s definitely not a FOSS company, our main customers are the police and military.

The switch process will be terribly unproductive. Also, even the process of discussing the change is a nightmare. Don’t forget all the backend stuff that needs to change too from all downstream. It’s not as easy as using the API and tools to copy the repo in this case… Everyone from Fedora to Zedora is affected on their side because the upstream address will change

Sure, but their first choice for a data source is GitHub. For other platforms, they would need to develop and maintain an indexer/crawler (which you can block), which costs time and thus money. Just think about it, why would you upload my code to a platform, when you know that the owner of that platform actually hates FOSS and only wants to profit from it?

Microsoft actually contributes a lot to open source… Why would they need an indexer / crawler? They already index everything using bing… Then they just need a git pull.

What has Microsoft recently contributed to the FOSS community? I mean truly contributed. Why should a FOSS project use their proprietary products when other free (both as in price and as in freedom) alternatives exist?

Because they work… Switching platforms offers no real benefits in any way, and Github is free for open source projects.

Dumb argument. The code editor/IDE is a personal choice of each developer. The software forge isn’t. I really doubt that anyone at OpenSSL is using VSCode (a bloated JavaScript mess) for C development. But if you need to use it, there’s VSCodium which is completely open source and removes the Microsoft tracking.

Yeah… Sure… Every developer I know these days except one uses VSCode. And we took him off the main team in our company because he was taking too long to do things (because we are all using copilot).

What exactly do you think Microsoft is tracking? Do you think they’re peeking on developer webcams? Nope… https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/telemetry . Crash reports are normal… Its all GDPR anyway. I don’t care if Microsoft knows what language I’m developing on

So is GitLab

Cool… I’ll just leave this here: https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/05/0-click-gitlab-hijacking-flaw-under-active-exploit-with-thousands-still-unpatched/

People should use what they want. It’s actually bad for the community when people who contribute nothing try to project manage projects they have nothing to do with. It’s their decision… If you don’t like it, fork OpenSSL to Gitlab and do your own thing… Trust me, you’ll notice that choosing Github vs Gitlab doesn’t affect project success.

Again, the productivity is what matters. You dont think they could train copilot if it’s hosted on a remote git repo?

Also, are you going to do the self hosting for them? It uses a lot of resources and time to self host. Again, nobody knows this better than us.

Also, what have you contributed to openssl lately? Resources? Money?

Switching hosting isn’t a two second job either. There is a serious hit to productivity during migration for everyone, including distros.

Are they allowed to use vs code to develop too? Or do they need to change?

Nothing helps open source succeed better than productivity. Also, if they can train copilot with open ssl, good luck. Apparently the code is difficult

Also, there is always the possibility some of these smaller ones go bankrupt. GitHub is highly unlikely to