Edit: obligatory explanation (thanks mods for squaring me away)…
What you see via the UI isn’t “all that exists”. Unlike Reddit, where everything is a black box, there are a lot more eyeballs who can see “under the hood”. Any instance admin, proper or rogue, gets a ton of information that users won’t normally see. The attached example demonstrates that while users will only see upvote/downvote tallies, admins can see who actually performed those actions.
Edit: To clarify, not just YOUR instance admin gets this info. This is ANY instance admin across the Fediverse.
I’mma be honest, this might be the worst part of lemmy. NSFW, gray area topics, sports discussion, all that becomes completely radioactive.
I think its a massive improvement. Reddit did next to nothing about astro-turfing and vote manipulation. Lemmy gives people the tools needed to detect inorganic content.
Err, up/down voting is just a quick way to agree or disagree. If one is voting because they feel they can’t stand behind their opinion if they expanded it in text… I don’t know what to tell ya.
One of the reasons I really disliked Reddit and stopped using it years ago was this way of using the voting system. If I make a post, and it gets voted something like +4-10, and a reply that is some rewording of “that’s a dumb statement”, what am I to think? I’m certainly not going to change my mind, no one gave me a good reason to.
I’m inclined to believe a lot of people do this. This is not to say they are terrible for doing this, it’s that it’s human nature. Replying to someone with a well thought out post takes effort and, from my experience, makes the me realize i don’t know shit about the subject. Point is, this way of using the voting system breeds half-thought opinions which is a host of a lot of other problems.
Agreed.
What about IP addresses? I see those are logged. Are they available to query?
I would imagine so, right?
If so, ummmmmmmm. That is not ok.
Umm, anything you access on the Internet has to know your IP address, that’s how the Internet works. Whether or not they choose to keep the logs is a different matter.
Ok, sure. But the difference is that I can’t make my own Reddit instance and then see all Reddit users IP addresses.
What is the vetting process of getting an instance federated?
Like if I was an authoritarian henchman, could I make an instance with a community about cats, get federated, then see all the IPs of users calling my boss a pooh bear, on all other instances?
Edit: what about swatting?
There’s no difference, you don’t get IPs of other instances’ users just an id
Or you could just buy it from reddit.
Fix your police.
This sounds a lot like “not my problem.” I am familiar with this type of response, but usually this level of irresponsible indifference comes from those evil VC backed companies. Except they don’t usually say it out loud.
If this is the attitude of the devs, I am deleting all my glowing recommendations of lemmy on other sites.
Is this really the attitude of the devs?
I suppose if you ignore the part where I said the problem doesn’t actually exist (IPs are not included in federated content) then It can look like a not my problem response.
I wonder if you will also delete the FUD and misinformation you posted on this thread.
I haven’t looked into it at all but I expect IPs are visible to instance admins. That’s pretty typical of any online platform.
But if I understand this, anyone that makes a lemmy instance can see the IPs of any commenter or voter, on any other federated instance?
What is the vetting process for federation?
Even if lemmy itself doesn’t support it, there are plenty of ways to log visitors ips and correlate that data with lemmy to figure out who the user is.
EX: Using a revese proxy like cloudflare or nginx, which are both very common.
Even if lemmy itself doesn’t support it, there are plenty of ways to log visitors ips and correlate that data with lemmy to figure out who the user is.
EX: Using a revese proxy like cloudflare or nginx, which are both very common.
Even if lemmy itself doesn’t support it, there are plenty of ways to log visitors ips and correlate that data with lemmy to figure out who the user is.
EX: Using a revese proxy like cloudflare or nginx, which are both very common.
IP Adresse does not really matter. It changes every day or whenever I restart the router.
It depends on the ISP, country etc
I’m in France and almost every time our IP changes it’s because my parents changed our internet subscription, or because moved to another place
Oh. That’s pretty bad
It’s probably bad for privacy, but it makes self hosting super easy
Radioactive? Honestly, some people are never satisfied and really like to constantly complain, don’t they?