Reminder that Microsoft is trying to shift Windows to be entirely cloud based, so this can easily happen overnight without your consent. You don’t own your OS. Linux is the only way, unless you’re one of those strange BSD folks.
>b-but muh proprietary software and vidya gaymes!!!
Ik this is sarcastic but the video games issue is real regardless of Proton and its derivatives on Linux. Windows really is the best way to game right now
I feel that this very much depnd on which games you’re playing. Competitive or Roblox, Windows is the better choice. Majority of the games I play though works without any issues on Linux.
I’ve heard that some games even are faster on Linux even when running proton buy it isn’t anything I’ve myself has investigated.
Gaming is one of my main intrests and I’ve been playing on Linux for at least ten years. It’s not for everyone I guess.
I play Apex Legends ranked. It runs better on pop os than win11 on my PC.
It’s great that it works for what you play, but it doesn’t for me. Hopefully the steamdeck train continues to pick up steam, because it’s pretty much the only reason Linux gaming is gaining ground.
As a #1 competitive Roblox player, I can agree
Is there a lot of monies in the competitive Roblox circuit?
Yeah I demand their lunch money
I think Roblox is the only game that has the kids booting into Windows. Another reason Roblox sucks, I suppose.
It really sucks that they went and blocked Linux. Before that it worked flawlessly. I was close to moving my kids over to Linux when they did.
Are you serious about roblox? Because I’m not much of a gamer, but kids play roblox and I was actualy planning on migrating to linux this summer.
Unfortunately yes, a month or so Roblox actively blocked Linux än VM:s. They claimed it is only temporarily until their new client is stable so that they can evaluate the results for windows first. General consensus seems to be that could just as well just filtered the results considering that they are able to block Linux all together.
I haven’t checked it out for a couple of weeks though so I don’t know if a workaround has been found. It’s annoying though because Roblox worked perfectly before that. I would have loved to migrate my kids computer’s to Linux as well since I got problems with rage every time I try to fix things on them 😅
Yeah, I built a new PC at the beginning of the pandemic and went Linux. I don’t even not windows and play all my games on there.
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What is their reasoning?
There’s many different reasons (all of them ignorant or blatantly made in bad faith) but one that I recall off the top of my head is that, since Linux gives users more freedom and more control over their operating system and computer, playing on Linux makes it easier for you to cheat in games. They like that in Windows, there’s parts of the system that Microsoft simply doesn’t allow users to touch, because in some cases, they still can, so they can use that to implement things like
rootkitssorry I mean “kernel-level anti-cheat” that users have no effective way of removing or bypassing.I have always found this argument disingenuous. Cheaters still find a way. At the end of the day, if you don’t want cheaters, then play games with people you trust.
They’re owned by Microsoft?
I went fulltime Linux and therefor bought a full AMD system (better drivers) one year ago. I played about 15 games the last year, some of them AAA titles, rarely had problems, and all of them could be fixed by looking on protondb.com (unless the problems came from the game itself of course).
There are some titles which will not support Linux on purpose although it surely would run just fine, for whatever reasons, e.g. fortnite.
Yeah that’s been my experience, but that won’t be the case for everyone. I mostly play singleplayer games, only a few multiplayer games, so it makes sense that I don’t have issues. But for someone who plays lots of multiplayer games, it wouldn’t work.
My setup is I have my gaming rig with a 4080 running Windows, then I turned my old PC gaming rig into an unRAID server. It’s a fully automated piracy machine running Plex. I just tell it what I want to download on my website.
Same here. Unraid + Arrs + Plex/Jellyfin + Overseer/Ombi + DelugeVPN + 50 other containers I have running
Excellent setup
What games are problematic on Linux these days? I’ve been Linux only for since Windows 7 server went EoL, and have had shockingly few problems, particularly in the last year or so. The few things that have been problematic with Proton work fine with GloriousEggroll.
I made the jump several years ago to full Linux and never looked back. I game a bunch, built my own custom PC’s for years. Linux has been great, and gaming on it has become fantastic.
The Steam Deck has helped push it even further, at this point I don’t really check if games run on Linux, I assume they do and 95% of the time I’m right.
The few games that flat out don’t run because of Anti-Cheat, I either wait until they are eventually supported, (Dead by Daylight, cough) or I just give them up. It isn’t worth it to me to sacrifice my freedom, privacy, and consumer rights just to play a certain video game when there are literally 10’s of thousands of games out there that I could play that run perfectly fine on Linux.
Are you saying the video game complaint isn’t real? You have a solution? 90% of my personal PC use is gaming, otherwise anything I used to use my PC for is done with my phone.
Until Linux can support my entire steam library, I don’t see why I’d bother.
oh no the 4chan meme arrow speak
I can’t live without Call of Dooty!
I wish that was the only thing. I work in science/engineering and lots of software that control equipment are only windows.
There are options like using virtual machines, but it’s way to cumbersome and prone to errors, you don’t want a measurement that took half a day get ruined because of a stupid communication error.
They aren’t trying to move to be completely cloud based. That was a bad headline that misconstrued what they were actually doing. The article actually just talked about how they wanted Windows to be fully streamable from the cloud as an option.
That’s exactly how Office365/Microsoft365 got it’s start. Now, instead of buying a copy of Office, you subscribe to Microsoft365.
I’m assuming that the path from cloud as an option to subscription based OS will be a little faster. To be fair, I wouldn’t be surprised if the stripped down locally installed version is offered as a Freemium option. Air-gapped and non-online computers usually just do one thing anyways. Most aren’t being used to watch movies, buy stuff, etc.
My prediction would be that within 5 years, probably sooner, if you don’t subscribe to your cloud-based Microsoft Windows OS, you’ll have a bare-bones experience. Good enough for kiosks and such.
Granted, you are correct, the article passed around only talks about how it’s an option right now, with some benefits… but we’ve all seen Microsoft do this exact same play before.
Now, instead of buying a copy of Office, you subscribe to Microsoft365
Naa, I just install Office and autopatch it.
For a business a cloud based OS would be far easier to be honest. It’s just an iteration on remote desktop services, with better latency and better protection of the business because of tools like this. I don’t think this should exist without consent on your private OS, but I can stand with not having to tell the new guy again that he can’t torrent on company property.
Must suck to be a Windows User
Common Microsoft L
Microsoft can’t be bothered to make a single, unified control panel but they have resources to work on shit like this.
I’ve never heard of microsoft pluton- that’s why I wasnt talking about it
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I switched to pop os recently and I’m never going back to Windows. It’s easier now than ever to switch to Linux, even for gamers. Steam, proton, and wine have made running your Windows apps and games in Linux so easy. You’d have to have a very specific use case to justify staying with Windows now.
Here’s a fun one: I own two video capture devices, an Elgato HD 60 S and an Avermedia LiveGamer Portable 2. Both do not work in Linux. I found a simple USB HDMI capture device that works in Linux and cost a fraction of what thosmother overhyped ones cost me. It works way better than they ever did. That was one of my last adjustments. I can still stream my Switch and PS5 on Twitch, no problem.
That’s a pretty niche use case and it was easy.
A good portion of popular multiplayer games doesn’t work on Linux due to anticheat issues (R6S, Valorant, PUBG, Fortnite, CODs, BF2042, Destiny 2, Rust, Escape from Tarkov etc) so it’s not as easy to switch to Linux just yet if you play any of those games. Not to mention lack of support from industry standard software such as Adobe etc.
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Look at this person with their 46gb ram and highest end graphics card and processor capable of running VMs and games smoothly.
VMs aren’t remotely that expensive to run. You basically just need hardware that supports virtualisation and GPU passthrough. The virtual totality of the servers you interact with on the internet are VMs.
All earned with hard work, my brother. Trust me, man, complete whatever college or school things you have left, and after you’re set, treat yourself.
Pro tip though: Hold off on getting kids or building family. Give yourself some time to relax and enjoy life for a decade or so and go absolutely ham!
Could you tell us exactly which simple USB HDMI capture device you found that works well in Linux?
I’ve been looking for one myself.
No problem! This one right here: https://a.co/d/5o60f87
I must admit, it’s a little weird that it connects with a USB A to USB A cable, but it works great. Takes 4K input, has pass thru, ouputs 1080p 60 fps to OBS, no driver was needed. Just worked. Be sure to set it up in OBS to use YUY12 color space (emulated) and make sure your consoles have RGB range set to “limited” as this little guy doesn’t play well with expanded/full. Don’t worry, the image quality is still great. I streamed FFXIV and Zelda with it recently. Look at twitch.tv/littlecolt for my recent streams, they are all on this thing.
Thanks for the info, really appreciated!
I remember a similar scare when Vista was coming out, and then nothing happened. Probably the tech wasn’t ready then and now it is, that’s why is so encouraging so see big progress in Linux gaming, just in case.
Edit: found a source for the Vista thing https://www.forbes.com/2007/02/10/microsoft-vista-drm-tech-security-cz_bs_0212vista.html?sh=38c0bc9e175e
And yes, we know the picture is fake, but the Pluton platform is real and the nefarious intentions can always be counted on.
20 years ago it was called TCP/Palladium and everyone was afraid this might happen. That was one of the reasons Microsoft implemented TPM chips.
Obviously everyone forget about it until now. Happy new times where Microsoft can dictate which files your, sorry, their computer is allowed to open.
If you click on “More info” you have the option to run it. You’ll see a message indicating there’s risk involved in doing so.
Yeah no… what is this? and where is this?
I’m on the latest stable version of W11 and I have tons of pirated content on my PC lmao
I’ve never gotten this message
This post was just a honeypot to see who admits to having possession of pirated content. Please stay where you are and authorities will be dispatched to your location shortly.
My 3rd world ass
Seems it requires specific hardware to run. Newer AMD or Snapdragon processors can run it, all other processors (currently) cannot.
I get a dialogue from Microsoft defender smart screen that looks mighty similar to this whenever I’ve done a clean install of Oobabooga’s Text Generation WebUI (for running local Large Language Models) with it basically going “are you really sure about running that” for an incredibly niche piece of software. OP seems to have lost the plot if you ask me, because quite frankly Microsoft will only be able to exert the level of influence over our machine if it were in the cloud running on their servers. and even then, they aren’t going to kill off the local windows install because funnily enough, the internet ain’t that available.
At this point non-internet connected Windows machines are such a niche part of their budget that they’re almost but not quite mandating cloud accounts just for installation. They can absolutely force this on people’s machines.
As a Linux user no. As a trend that could catch on in general consumer devices… yes
Isn’t this bypassed by clicking “More info” and the “Run” button appears?
Meh… just another reason added to a looong list about why I never looked back after switching to Linux, back when Vista was introduced.
F’s out for me and any other music producers. It’s like trying to game on Linux 15 years ago. You can do it in theory but when it’s your job it just isn’t there yet and I can’t imagine it ever will be
Pretty sure it’s possible or there are other options. But you’d probably had to invest a lot of work and time to make it work.
For most people it isn’t worth the effort, which I understand.
Wow it took a whole 8 hours for the Linux-bore to comment 😂
Never seen this. I’d want way more proof its real. that beside said if it comes to that its Linux time. I don’t prefer linux but I’ve found one that mostly works for me.
Yes. In order to run pirated content I had to run through a couple of hours of troubleshooting to disable the Microsoft anti-malware software, which would quarrantine and refuse to restore software without consent.
Pluton is a new name and may be Windows 11. Hopefully you can uninstall it with a third-party utility (windows utilities won’t let you, and doing it by hand involves mucking around with the registry.l
I’m going to make the switch to Linux once I can brave it because Windows is malware and spyware and getting worse with each iteration.
I’m going to make the switch to Linux…
This is the way.
If it took you a few hours to figure out how to play a pirated video then a Linux isn’t for you.
No one likes gate keeping. Ideally Linux would be easy for people at any level to switch to.
