I mean, you mocked them using the exact reasoning you criticize them for, like “making a show of being hated -> attention seeker”. But ok, let’s forget about that.
You may consider that you are actually mocking communities that are the target of true violence, not just downvotes. Like they get hurt, killed, harassed, even by administrations and systems ? Maybe that’s the reason for your downvotes.
And did you realized that this is really the main use of downvotes ? Just a quick way to react. If you agree/like, upvote. If you do not agree/dislike, downvote. It’s very simple really. Either you don’t get that, either you are mocking people for using tools the way they were intended to. Both ways seem dumb to me.
If you want a place that do not allows this quick reactions that are up/downvotes, well maybe switch for other platforms that are not designed around it ?
I don’t subscribe to the idea that tweets or message boards or ideas or ‘silence’ is violence.
The upvote system was invented to put relevant discussion to the top, and hide irrelevant discussion. What people have done with it is use it as a like/dislike button.
If that’s what it was, that’s what it would be called. Like Facebook, which has an actual ‘like’ button
But I do think people who even interact with the system are losers. That’s my personal, anecdotal, opinion of them
Yeah, i kinda agree with you, social media violence is “not” violence, or at least a lesser violence. This was my point : trans are the target of true violence, while being tired of hearing about them is not being target of true violence. This asymmetry may be the cause of that much people disagreeing with you.
On the up/downvote origin, you are right, i did not knew it. Everytime i have seen it used, and so everytime i used it, it was as a like/dislike option. You genuinely are the first person i see complaining about it, so i considered you wrong on this, my bad. But the idea still remains in a different way : though you are technically right, maybe you still can consider that using up/down as like/dislike is a common thing to do.
On the Facebook point, i do not know. It is rather a “like” system than a “like/dislike” : there isn’t really a way to disagree with a statement (the “angry” emoji being the closest, but it just conveys that you are angry, not if you agree with the com or not).
Well, let’s take it as a personal opinion then. Now here’s mine : people seeking attention by complaining about supposedly attention seekers are double losers, first because of my judgment, and second because of their own judgment.
I dunno, man. It’s a weird perspective to have when you’re me. I don’t hate trans people, I don’t hate gay people, I don’t hate minorities, I want everyone to be happy and healthy and free.
I just don’t agree with the lefts way of getting there and I don’t agree that their ‘goodness’ actually is coming from a place of good. I think people get wrapped up on the promises, I think trans rights are just the same as everyone else’s rights.
I don’t think trans people experience any more actual violence than any of us do. I’m just as likely to get beat up walking down the street as anyone else is.
I think the media and left wing educators are distracting us from the issues we should be up in arms about and feeding the masses a story to enact.
And I think lemmy is a huge symptom of that. This is not a diverse place. And any diversity of thought is struck down with the strength of a thousand suns.
I don’t think anyone deserves anymore rights than anyone else, and if you’re specifically talking about trans, if you wouldn’t give a 10yo girl breast augmentation surgery because she wanted bigger boobs, or a child penis injections because he wanted a bigger dick, why would you invert a 10yo penis to create a neo-vagina?
That’s not about ‘rights’. Those rights aren’t afford to only trans kids and then you tell an 8yo “no, I’m sorry you can’t get a tattoo on your face”. It’s disingenuous. How do you k ow how badly they want a face tattoo? Why would you deny them their sense of self in that way? Is that not hatecthen?
My slap down trans argument will always be this: if you’re an adult, do whatever the fuck you want. Put horns in your head, split your tongue, get tattoos, get bigger breasts, inject synthol into your arms, invert your penis. I don’t care.
But if a child has a perfectly healthy and functioning body, the problem they are having is not with their body, don’t do cosmetic surgery on them.
I get it, a bunch of quack doctors want to do as many of these surgeries as they can. These idiots would be lining up lobotomy patients too, if they still could.
Because they are quack doctors. They are idiots, they are scamming your kids by selling surgery to kids parents to treat a problem that isn’t physical.
I mean, you mocked them using the exact reasoning you criticize them for, like “making a show of being hated -> attention seeker”. But ok, let’s forget about that. You may consider that you are actually mocking communities that are the target of true violence, not just downvotes. Like they get hurt, killed, harassed, even by administrations and systems ? Maybe that’s the reason for your downvotes. And did you realized that this is really the main use of downvotes ? Just a quick way to react. If you agree/like, upvote. If you do not agree/dislike, downvote. It’s very simple really. Either you don’t get that, either you are mocking people for using tools the way they were intended to. Both ways seem dumb to me. If you want a place that do not allows this quick reactions that are up/downvotes, well maybe switch for other platforms that are not designed around it ?
I don’t subscribe to the idea that tweets or message boards or ideas or ‘silence’ is violence.
The upvote system was invented to put relevant discussion to the top, and hide irrelevant discussion. What people have done with it is use it as a like/dislike button.
If that’s what it was, that’s what it would be called. Like Facebook, which has an actual ‘like’ button
But I do think people who even interact with the system are losers. That’s my personal, anecdotal, opinion of them
Yeah, i kinda agree with you, social media violence is “not” violence, or at least a lesser violence. This was my point : trans are the target of true violence, while being tired of hearing about them is not being target of true violence. This asymmetry may be the cause of that much people disagreeing with you.
On the up/downvote origin, you are right, i did not knew it. Everytime i have seen it used, and so everytime i used it, it was as a like/dislike option. You genuinely are the first person i see complaining about it, so i considered you wrong on this, my bad. But the idea still remains in a different way : though you are technically right, maybe you still can consider that using up/down as like/dislike is a common thing to do.
On the Facebook point, i do not know. It is rather a “like” system than a “like/dislike” : there isn’t really a way to disagree with a statement (the “angry” emoji being the closest, but it just conveys that you are angry, not if you agree with the com or not).
Well, let’s take it as a personal opinion then. Now here’s mine : people seeking attention by complaining about supposedly attention seekers are double losers, first because of my judgment, and second because of their own judgment.
I dunno, man. It’s a weird perspective to have when you’re me. I don’t hate trans people, I don’t hate gay people, I don’t hate minorities, I want everyone to be happy and healthy and free.
I just don’t agree with the lefts way of getting there and I don’t agree that their ‘goodness’ actually is coming from a place of good. I think people get wrapped up on the promises, I think trans rights are just the same as everyone else’s rights.
I don’t think trans people experience any more actual violence than any of us do. I’m just as likely to get beat up walking down the street as anyone else is.
I think the media and left wing educators are distracting us from the issues we should be up in arms about and feeding the masses a story to enact.
And I think lemmy is a huge symptom of that. This is not a diverse place. And any diversity of thought is struck down with the strength of a thousand suns.
I don’t think anyone deserves anymore rights than anyone else, and if you’re specifically talking about trans, if you wouldn’t give a 10yo girl breast augmentation surgery because she wanted bigger boobs, or a child penis injections because he wanted a bigger dick, why would you invert a 10yo penis to create a neo-vagina?
That’s not about ‘rights’. Those rights aren’t afford to only trans kids and then you tell an 8yo “no, I’m sorry you can’t get a tattoo on your face”. It’s disingenuous. How do you k ow how badly they want a face tattoo? Why would you deny them their sense of self in that way? Is that not hatecthen?
My slap down trans argument will always be this: if you’re an adult, do whatever the fuck you want. Put horns in your head, split your tongue, get tattoos, get bigger breasts, inject synthol into your arms, invert your penis. I don’t care.
But if a child has a perfectly healthy and functioning body, the problem they are having is not with their body, don’t do cosmetic surgery on them.
I get it, a bunch of quack doctors want to do as many of these surgeries as they can. These idiots would be lining up lobotomy patients too, if they still could.
Because they are quack doctors. They are idiots, they are scamming your kids by selling surgery to kids parents to treat a problem that isn’t physical.
And that’s all I have to say about that