I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

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    China most definitely has billionaires in cahoots with the government. Evergrande is a great example of this. Asianometry did a great video on how deep it goes with receipts.

    I’ve had two discussions with users about the Uyghur camps which were not able to address the base of my concerns. While they are definitely very exaggerated in size, the notion that they don’t exist seems unfounded. Though I’m open for discussion on it.

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      China most definitely has billionaires in cahoots with the government

      Imperialism is when billionaires. The more billionaires you have the imperialister it is

      Also https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

      I’ve had two discussions with users about the Uyghur camps which were not able to address the base of my concerns.

      Sounds like you were concern trolling, because the burden of proof is on the accuser

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        Your statement about China not having a financialist capital class seemed slightly out of touch so I provided you with examples of some Chinese capital class. Communism is when not billionaires. The more Billionaires you have to less communism it is.

        As for the imperialism I only hear the same argument as for Western imperialism: someone drew lines on a map 200 years ago and it said Xinjiang and Tibet were part of China. So despite them speaking a different language it’s now 100% ours for rizzle.

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            I read a bit of the link and it was mostly mid mumbling that mentioned faults of China and then moved on as if addressing them solves them.

            Then it proceeded to misdiagnose what greed is and pretend capitalism is a system designed around greed instead of greed being innate to humans.

            Then I stopped because it doesn’t answer any of the questions.

            I’m not saying everything China does is bad, certainly to grow as superpower when the West tries to overthrow all competition is massive achievement. But people are all too willing to deny faults of China.

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              Your statement about China not having a financialist capital class seemed slightly out of touch so I provided you with examples of some Chinese capital class

              I seems you have no clue what the difference between an industrial capitalist and a finacial capitalist is, because you provided not a example of finacial capitalists existing. You just showed me an example of a industrial/realestate capitalist eating shit. Not so much in cahoots after all then ,right? Not like the CPC declared the “3 red lines” in order to mitigate the bubble forming, not like there’s a 95% homeowner ship rate in china already and it’s just speculators eating shit, not like Asianometry is a very informed lib viewing the deliberate crash from a liberal perspective, right?

              China’s banks are nationalized. When was theast time you heare about Jack Ma, who wanted to ascend to be a financial capitalist by circumventing finance laws with ANT pay?

              Communism is when not billionaires. The more Billionaires you have to less communism it is.

              See, what the CPC is doing is not communism. It’s market socialism, or SWCC to be more accurate, which is not without it’s contradictions. Communism cannot exist when Capitalism and Imperialism exists.

              When you write stuff like:

              instead of greed being innate to humans

              Muh human nature

              Or

              As for the imperialism I only hear the same argument as for Western imperialism: someone drew lines on a map 200 years ago

              I know for a fact you haven’t read theory and don’t want to be talking to you until you haven’t done your homework.

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                Arguing on semantics is a liberals game. Anyway the last user claimed China was definitely not cracking down on Xinjiang so I linked him this damning compilation.

                Haven’t heard from him since.

                Unless you’re going to claim cultural Genocide is fine when China does it because they call their imperialism differently I don’t really care for the argument.

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                  Semantics are important with words like “imperialism”, “capitalism” and other isms.

                  Xinjiang so I linked him this damning compilation.

                  Xinjiang has 1 mosque per ~500 Muslims and one of the highest densities with 25k mosques total

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China

                  Your (western) article makes an “analysis of 2,312 mosques once featuring Islamic architecture shows that three-quarters have been modified or destroyed since 2018.”

                  Which 1) is not that many compares to the total amount. 2) Has an interest in focussing on “modified” (i.e. renovated) and destroyed ones to make the 3/4 figure 3) apparently has access to that data, but refuses to list the total amount of destroyed ones.

                  Also cultural genocide is when Uyghur is an official languages and also used publicly everywhere. Cultural genocide is when you can freely practice your religion everywhere. Cultural genocide is when all Muslim majority visited the region and had no complaints. Apparently genocide on Muslims is not happening in Palestine (said by the same voices that do say it’s happening in China)

                  You might want to consider the context a bit (also with western sources): https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

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                    Cultural Genocide is not equal to full on literal israel style delete everyone you don’t like. It is more similar to the French colonialism in Algeria (see imperialism) and their attempt to assimilate their subjects afterwards. Gradually ereasing a culture to ‘enlighten’ the population with le epic atheism.

                    Altering appearances of mosques to make them appear Chinese is an incredibly visually obvious step to slow-boiling the frog.

                    ~2022; Xi Stresses Sinicization and Regulation of Religious Activities

                    Religious affairs in China should be regulated in accordance with the country’s socialist society, Xi said at the latest National Religious Affairs Meeting held in Beijing. Xi urged more nationalism, collectivism, socialism, and an improved understanding of history in the religious sector. He also emphasized the importance of the overall national security.

                    The religious sector should strengthen its self-education and management and should only conduct activities that respect laws and regulations, Xi said. China will also aim to ensure that party and government leadership have a sufficient understanding of Marxist religious views.

                    And if you don’t know what “Marxist religious views” means I recommend the document you linked earlier it was quite evidently not too fond of religion.