• linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    lucky u, there is; its called just doing the fucking thing like normal, cuz non of the historical examples did that so u know.

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      Communism inevitably will always lead to dictatorship and totalitarianism.

      In order to become a communist state, you have to: 1.) Get a bit army or group of people to enforce the upcoming rules. 2.) Force people to get rid of private ownership or threaten them to give it up. This will piss a lot of people off. 3.) Get rid of them if they don’t. This will piss a lot of people off. 4.) Realize that you’ve pissed a lot of people off, and that your the only power in the land, you definitely don’t want to give this up. 5.) Enact a single party system…oh, fuck…

      Communism doesn’t work on a large-scale, and it’s not sustainable. By it’s very nature it’s extremely prone to abuse, and fundamentally impossible to install any sort of checks and balances on a single party-system. Look how bad it is with a two-party system in the US.

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          The failure of democratic checks and balances does not preclude the failure of communist checks and balances as well.

          Democratic Socialism is where I’d like the US to head. But we have to start consistently winning majorities so that we can fix the disproportionate representation that’s hurting progress and making electing the progressives needed for change difficult.

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        u can believe the cia on that or u can actually fucking learn how these systems work or worked and what people who lived and live in them think of them, imma put it very plainly the percent of Americans who think amerikkka is a democracy is a LOT lower than Chinese people who think China is a democracy. And that holds true for most capitalist countries and most socialist countries past and present.

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          3 months ago

          yesbut did you consider that chinese people are very stupid and brainwashed by 5g havana syndrome /s

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        Communism doesn’t work on a large-scale, and it’s not sustainable.

        Have you ever heard of little thing called “economy of scale”? The bigger scale is - the more sustainable it is.

        By it’s very nature it’s extremely prone to abuse, and fundamentally impossible to install any sort of checks and balances on a single party-system.

        “checks and balances” do not prevent abuse. They are not designed to.

        Look how bad it is with a two-party system in the US.

        In my opinion two-party system is worse than single-party system and full pluralism. In single-party system there is only one party to blame, while in many-parties system no party can control discourse. While in two-party system both parties can agree to screw over people and finger-point at each-other, only creating illusion of pluralism.

        And that besides societal issues two-party system creates like strong polarization.

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          while in many-parties system no party can control discourse

          As someone living in a country having many-party system, the discourse is perfectly controllable in the same way they are doing it in US, just with tiny extra effort. Since 1989 we didn’t had even a single anticapitalist party in parliament despite having sometimes over a dozen of them for several years. Hell in current term we have the most parties - 17 parties + 42 independent parliamentarists on 460 seats in sejm, and still what we hear from all of them is similar on every base question - no alternative to capitalism, neoliberalism in practice, and complete submission to USA and EU in all manners.