Why YSK: Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and Sh.itjust.works effectively shadowbanning anyone from those instances. You will not be able to interact with their users or posts.

  • masterspace@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    As for the confusion / chaos around multiple/redundant/competing communities and so on…that will get better over time as people figure things out. Honestly it’s not that different than reddit with all of its splinter subs like “true-” whatever.

    That’s true for just the duplication problem, but the defederation / shadow banning issue is not one that reddit has and is pretty confusing and poor user experience for new users coming in.

    • 𝓢𝓮𝓮𝓙𝓪𝔂𝓔𝓶𝓶
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      1 year ago

      This isn’t reddit 2.0. It’s a different platform with different mechanics that hasn’t had over a decade to mature.

      Change is hard. People need to learn to adapt.

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        1 year ago

        Right, but even non-reddit users would be confused by it. When everyone advertises lemmy as seamlessly integrating with all the different instances, it doesn’t matter what instance your account is on, this definitely is not that.

        • 𝓢𝓮𝓮𝓙𝓪𝔂𝓔𝓶𝓶
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          1 year ago

          It’s a young platform experiencing unprecedented growth. There’s going to be growing pains where misunderstandings and misinformation are bound to happen. We need to correct the misinformation and set proper expectations.

          The ability for a server admin to choose what servers they federate with is a core concept of the fediverse and needs to be properly communicated.

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          1 year ago

          The idea behind federation is, that individuals host their own instance and connect (federate) with others individual’s instances.

          But that’s not easy for less tech savvy people.

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        1 year ago

        Except you’re not making a case for why they should rather than go to some other alternative once it pops up soon.

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          1 year ago

          One of us is confused, I’m not sure which. I’m not “making a case” for anything. I stated a fact, “Lemmy != Reddit”. It’s a completely different platform, with different underlying technology, that can perform a similar task. Anyone who’s representing it as a 1:1 reddit clone that you can just hop to with no effort to learn how it works, is misleading others.

          I’m not trying to win any arguments nor convince anyone to stay. If another alternative pops up, try it, if you like it use it. If you like lemmy use it. Hell, use them both or use neither. That’s the benefit of having choices.

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      1 year ago

      I foresee a lot of issues with defederation and the proposed mod tools in the future, as well. They can refederate but it’s not a good look for the platform when the federation can be fractured so easily. We have not seen the last of this issue.

      I also question what it’s going to look like when these moderation tools are implemented. Lemmy has more avenues for moderation/admin abuse than Reddit, and less recourse for users. There are a lot of concerns here that just seem to be swept under the rug under the pretence that “you can always go to another instance”.

      Ultimately it’s not an issue with the function of the fediverse, but with the moderation philosophy of the people running these instances. Particularly when it comes to the viability of voting. That’s a huge opportunity for suppression that I don’t trust certain admins not to abuse.

      • MiddleKnight@discuss.tchncs.de
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        How does Lemmy have more avenues for admin abuse than Reddit? On either platform, the admins can technically do whatever they want. (Including editing users posts, spez). Lemmy makes it easier to just go somewhere else. At the end of the day that is all you can do.