Is there some connection to the nation?

  • BlackLaZoR@kbin.run
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    4 months ago

    Anarchists can organize just fine.

    Organized anarchism isn’t anarchism anymore.

    Now if what you want to argue is that detached highly concentrated power is capable of ordering atrocities and enforcing people to commit the atrocities in their name? Then yes they absolutely have the advantage.

    I’m not talking about just the atrocities. I’m talking bare economic efficiency - bunch of organized people are doing things faster and with lower amount of effort - and they will inevitably use that advantage to increase their standards of living. Suddenly you have an inequality.

    Of course this issue encompasses also efficiency of criminal activity - organized crime pays more than not organized crime.

    But the end result in both cases is the same - some people are better off than others

    In short I strictly disagree with the statement:

    in terms of actually doing the business of the people and governing. No there is no advantage.

    • Eldritch@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      Organized anarchism isn’t anarchism anymore.

      It is a literal organizational structure. Just a very flat one. You are using a colloquial malapropism. Not the actual definition/understanding of the ideology.

      I’m not talking about just the atrocities. I’m talking bare economic efficiency

      Economic efficiency is literal atrocity. Which is more economically efficient. To responsibly extract resources and pay fair value for it. Or to oppress and steal to obtain resources? Cobalt mining in the Congo as it exists, exists because of economic efficiency. It is advantageous and efficient for the company’s buying it that there is no government power there to oppose them. Instead buying from Regional Warlords and child slaves mining it. They don’t have to worry about safety regulations etc etc etc or any other externalities of the mining actions. Very efficient. Also an atrocity.

      Anarchism is about consent. People can consent to organize. There’s nothing prohibiting it. Is it quicker or easier to organize people without their consent by force? Absolutely. Is it good? That’s the argument you’re making. Might makes right. Brutal, authoritarian dictatorship is very efficient, economic and otherwise. There’s a reason people don’t like it.

      I suggest you actually look into what the ideology of anarchism is. And not just go with the pop culture/ angsty teen definition.

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      4 months ago

      You’re conflating organization and collaboration with oppression and hierarchy. It’s not “no rules” it’s “no rulers” and likewise you don’t get your anarchism membership revoked when you hold the door open for someone.

      In fact, anarchists are very much about collectivism over individualism. No one is free until everyone is free.