To be fair, there are multiple instances and communities. If there was only one post, there’s no guarantee that everyone on the fediverse would see it.
The system is not designed to provide one consistent view of all its contents.
Cross-posting existing posts also helps immensely to cut down on the clutter. I’ve done that, from larger communities to smaller ones that I wanted to help grow. I’ve never tried changing the title to see if it still connects, but maybe so, if someone wanted/needed (for the specific rules of the community) to do that.
Thing is, a cross post is nothing special. It’s a) a post with an identical link, and b) a post with “cross posted from…” appended to the body content.
It is still just a post. Lemmy (and k/mbin) just attempt to mask the fact there are multiple of them.
I don’t know if it can be done any better though, ActivityPub has quite a few quirks.
So if the title were changed from the original, it would still recognize it as a cross post, somehow? Perhaps based on it sharing an identical URL, or something added when you go into the cross-posting interface - if so then I suppose as you said the text in the body about the fact that it’s cross-posted. Hrm, and phrased differently, if someone were to share an identical URL independently, so not going through the cross-posting interface at all, would Lemmy and K/Mbin still recognize it as a cross-post?
Thanks for that insight. So if OP meant from a traffic standpoint, then yeah I see it doesn’t help at all. It also still splits the comments across the entire Fediverse, rather than concentrating them into like a megathread. And people could upvote multiple posts, and comment inside multiple ones, etc., so it actually increases traffic to have them split up, perhaps not quite as much as fully independent posts but more than if they were singular ones.
Whereas from a UX standpoint, it is so helpful to tidy things up to see e.g. one post shared to 5-20 communities rather than each of those showing up as its own individual post, taking up most of your feed even after you’ve already consumed the content and want to see what else is going on. And as we are seeing, each community has its own slant on the type of discussions that they want to have, so even if the posts could be conjoined somehow, into like a pseudo-megathread, the impact of that would hit very differently than allowing them to be different (cross-)posts. So cross-posting seems a nice balance between fully individual vs. fully conjoined:-).
Soooooo, their logic is “we want to build a community” but also “we disagree with open registrations, and want to seperate from the two biggest instances on Lemmy”.
That’s like throwing a party, and then getting nervous when people show up.
That was a year ago, the fediverse was (and is) growing by leaps and bounds; basically all instances were dealing with DDoSes and huge waves of obviously scripted account-creation. AFAIK beehaw federates with both of those instances again.
I’m pretty ambivalent about federation. If an instance wants to be a private forum and not federate that’s up to them and a valid use case I guess. I personally prefer instances that federate with basically everyone and let me block per user/instance myself but to each their own.
They did it so early I’m not sure how much of that was an issue. And no, while they did say it could be reversed later on, it never has been. Last I heard they were considering leaving Lemmy entirely.
But still, that’s the beauty of federation to me, they’re still using the same interoperable standard so if I want to see them I can spin up my own instance or find one of the ones they still federate.
It still wouldn’t help. If two instances block each other, but neither of them blocks a third instance, and someone from one of the first two joins a community in the third, then that person won’t see posts in that community from members of the blocked instance.
To be fair, there are multiple instances and communities. If there was only one post, there’s no guarantee that everyone on the fediverse would see it.
The system is not designed to provide one consistent view of all its contents.
If people would at least just check the community they’re posting to, it would help immensely.
Cross-posting existing posts also helps immensely to cut down on the clutter. I’ve done that, from larger communities to smaller ones that I wanted to help grow. I’ve never tried changing the title to see if it still connects, but maybe so, if someone wanted/needed (for the specific rules of the community) to do that.
Thing is, a cross post is nothing special. It’s a) a post with an identical link, and b) a post with “cross posted from…” appended to the body content.
It is still just a post. Lemmy (and k/mbin) just attempt to mask the fact there are multiple of them.
I don’t know if it can be done any better though, ActivityPub has quite a few quirks.
So if the title were changed from the original, it would still recognize it as a cross post, somehow? Perhaps based on it sharing an identical URL, or something added when you go into the cross-posting interface - if so then I suppose as you said the text in the body about the fact that it’s cross-posted. Hrm, and phrased differently, if someone were to share an identical URL independently, so not going through the cross-posting interface at all, would Lemmy and K/Mbin still recognize it as a cross-post?
Thanks for that insight. So if OP meant from a traffic standpoint, then yeah I see it doesn’t help at all. It also still splits the comments across the entire Fediverse, rather than concentrating them into like a megathread. And people could upvote multiple posts, and comment inside multiple ones, etc., so it actually increases traffic to have them split up, perhaps not quite as much as fully independent posts but more than if they were singular ones.
Whereas from a UX standpoint, it is so helpful to tidy things up to see e.g. one post shared to 5-20 communities rather than each of those showing up as its own individual post, taking up most of your feed even after you’ve already consumed the content and want to see what else is going on. And as we are seeing, each community has its own slant on the type of discussions that they want to have, so even if the posts could be conjoined somehow, into like a pseudo-megathread, the impact of that would hit very differently than allowing them to be different (cross-)posts. So cross-posting seems a nice balance between fully individual vs. fully conjoined:-).
Still not that simple. A beehaw users could post something first and you and I wouldn’t see it but others would.
What is beehaw, and why wouldn’t we see it?
Exactly.
Soooooo, their logic is “we want to build a community” but also “we disagree with open registrations, and want to seperate from the two biggest instances on Lemmy”.
That’s like throwing a party, and then getting nervous when people show up.
That was a year ago, the fediverse was (and is) growing by leaps and bounds; basically all instances were dealing with DDoSes and huge waves of obviously scripted account-creation. AFAIK beehaw federates with both of those instances again.
I’m pretty ambivalent about federation. If an instance wants to be a private forum and not federate that’s up to them and a valid use case I guess. I personally prefer instances that federate with basically everyone and let me block per user/instance myself but to each their own.
What?! No, that’s censorship! Let us do the blocking.
/s
They did it so early I’m not sure how much of that was an issue. And no, while they did say it could be reversed later on, it never has been. Last I heard they were considering leaving Lemmy entirely.
Just checked and you’re right.
But still, that’s the beauty of federation to me, they’re still using the same interoperable standard so if I want to see them I can spin up my own instance or find one of the ones they still federate.
Added emphasis to previous statement.
It still wouldn’t help. If two instances block each other, but neither of them blocks a third instance, and someone from one of the first two joins a community in the third, then that person won’t see posts in that community from members of the blocked instance.
It would make a difference is all I’m saying.
Perfect and better are not mutually exclusive concepts.
This was still an issue in Reddit times, but usually a single thread would rise to the top.
Some of us are mods and have to rawdog “new”. Lol
Doing god’s work
I think it would help if people used the cross posting feature
Along with posts from multiple agencies driving traffic.