Even by conservative measures, researchers say that China’s subsidies green-tech products such as battery electric vehicles and wind turbines is multiple times higher compared to the support granted to countriesin tbe European Union (EU) and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
The researchers conclude that the EU should use its strong bargaining power due to the single market to induce the Chinese government to abandon the most harmful subsidies.
TLDR:
- Quantification of overall Chinese industrial subsidies is difficult due to "China-specific factors”, which include, most notably, below-market land sales, but also below-market credit to state-owned enterprises (SOEs), support through state investment funds, and other subsidies for which there are no official numbers.
- Even when taking a conservative approach and considering only quantifiable factors of these subsidies, public support for Chinese companies to add up to at least €221.3 billion, or 1.73% of GDP in 2019. Relative to GDP, public support is about three times higher in China than in France (0.55%) and about four times higher than in Germany (0.41%) or the United States (0.39%).
- Large industrial firms such as EV maker BYD are offered disproportionately more support. The industrial firms from China received government support equivalent to about 4.5% of their revenues, according to a research report. By far the largest part of this support comes in the form of below-market borrowing.
Regarding electrical vehicles, the researchers write:
China’s rise to the world’s largest market and production base for battery electric vehicles has been boosted by the Chinese government’s longstanding extensive support of the industry, which includes both demand- and supply-side subsidies. Substantial purchase subsidies and tax breaks to stimulate sales of battery electric vehicles (BEV) are, of course, not unique to China but are also widespread within the EU and other Western countries, where (per vehicle) purchase subsidies have often been substantially higher than in China. A distinctive feature of purchase subsidies for BEV in China, however, is that they are paid out directly to manufacturers rather than consumers and that they are paid only for electric vehicles produced in China, thereby discriminating against imported cars.
By far the largest recipient of purchase subsidies was Chinese NEV manufacturer BYD, which in 2022 alone received purchase subsidies amounting to €1.6 billion (for about 1.4 million NEV) (Figure 4). The second largest recipient of purchase subsidies was US-headquartered Tesla, which received about €0.4 billion (for about 250,000 BEV produced in its Shanghai Gigafactory). While the ten next highest recipients of purchase subsidies are all Chinese, there are also three Sino-foreign joint ventures (the two VW joint ventures with FAW and SAIC as well as SAIC GM Wuling) among the top 20 purchase subsidy recipients.
“China is the worst polluter on the planet and they need to do better”
[China invests heavily into green technologies]
“NO NOT LIKE THAT!”
That’s what I like to remind people when they say that reducing emissions on our side isn’t worth it because China is worse… They have a system in place that makes it so they can turn around and make the switch in a year, if we wait for them to really start moving then we’ll end up decades behind them with how everything is complicated and bureaucratic in Europe and North America.
how everything is complicated and bureaucratic in Europe and North America.
In Tejas, we call that corruption…
Oh, fuck off with that. We’re in the middle of a climate catastrophe the scale of which we don’t even fully comprehend yet. I can understand a wish for more transparency in how the systems work, but if you’re not willing to pull your weight and put your money where your mouth is, you don’t get to complain. How is it in any way strange that China would be looking to boost the Chinese market? Every other market does exactly this.
This is a shiti PR take aimed at the people not properly educated on western industrial policies aka " corruption"
We give a ton of state aid for our job creators, they just waste the money and then ask for more
How much more subsidy do German automakers need? Clearly none of it helped them compete on the global markets lol Those cars suck.
It’s not that they need more, it’s that they get double from the oil industry to do nothing.
Well… Good for them. Am I supposed to be alarmed by this? Weren’t we saying a decade ago how China was the top contributor to pollution? Now they are doing something about it by investing in necessary tech?
If US and EU can’t compete due to subsidies, let’s increase our subsidies. C’mon, it’s not rocket surgery.
And drop the oil subsidies?! How dare you!
So then the only way to make it fair is for us to invest equally as much into our own green energy industries
Yup. From an economic and political perspective, this is a bad thing. From a climate perspective it’s good. But if we all invest, then everyone wins.
Well, not the oil companies, but they can die from climate effects for all I care.
What the fuck is this bullshit article? China gives subsidies for green tech? GOOD! And then they want the EU to stop is? See, this is why we can’t have nice things. When we lay parched on our barren sun baked fields this is who we can thank.
By far the largest recipient of purchase subsidies was Chinese NEV manufacturer BYD, which in 2022 alone received purchase subsidies amounting to €1.6 billion (for about 1.4 million NEV) (Figure 4). The second largest recipient of purchase subsidies was US-headquartered Tesla, which received about €0.4 billion (for about 250,000 BEV produced in its Shanghai Gigafactory)
Am I reading this right? They actually gave half a billion euros to Tesla and I’m suppose to believe they are the bad guys?
This is so transparent as to be insulting. Pure oil propoganda.
Of all things you can (justly or unjustly) criticize the Chinese government, this is the most ridiculous. They’re actually doing the right thing with their subsides for EVs, while the rest of the so-called “civilized world” is lagging behind.
I am sorry that the state aid provided by EU and US got stolen and we have nothing to show for it.
Sorry fucking losers want us to pay them even more money for nothing. JFC stop
I posted this elsewhere already, but it also fits here goven many of the posts in this thread: It is not just about data/privacy concerns (which are underestimated imo, as China pursues an own agenda with collecting your data through Chinese tech) and ‘unfair’ subsidies, but about gross human rights violations.
In short, some parts of the cheap Chinese cars are made in concentration camps where people are forced to work under catastrophic conditions.
