Seen a lot of posts on Lemmy with vegan-adjacent sentiments but the comments are typically very critical of vegan ideas, even when they don’t come from vegans themselves. Why is this topic in particular so polarising on the internet? Especially since unlike politics for example, it seems like people don’t really get upset by it IRL

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    2 months ago

    It varies yes, but it doesn’t change the fact that there is more animal suffering and environmental damage getting protein from animal sources than plants. Also talking about ssweatshops is changing the topic and moving the goalposts as you did previously with eggs. That’s not a good faith discussion

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      Depends on who is farming the plants don’t you think? Not like there hasn’t been scandals about exploitation of workers in agriculture.

      Not to mention environmental damage from over fertilizing and pesticides, and dumping of waste.

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          2 months ago

          meals offered in the lunch service at an institutional food service establishment in London, UK over their whole life cycles.

          Maybe you should actually read the studies you link.

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            2 months ago

            There’s 100s like it if you actually care. Also I don’t see why that matters

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              Also I don’t see why that matters

              Yeah, that’s the problem. You can’t even bother to read and understand the studies you link. You see the title and thinks “ah yes, that agrees with my agenda”

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                No. I read the fucking study. Your objection doesn’t alter the results. And it’s not like there isn’t a tonne of information about this topic. You are choosing to ignore the science by quibbling about an irrelevant detail in one study

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                  Not at all. But the question I raised from the start was that it matters where the meat is from.

                  Just like it matters where the plants are from.

                  Farmers have been using pesticides that kill bees in the millions. That will factually do more harm to the ecosystem than “the meat industry” ever could.

                  But maybe you want to focus on agriculture that doesn’t use pesticides that are known to kill bees. Maybe then you think it matters. You know, when it suits you.

                  So the whole point of “but it matters where” is very relevant. A lunch resturant business in London. Isn’t exactly representative of a normal every day person in the slightest.

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                    Oh FFS. Theres bad agriculture and there’s meat raising which is bad agriculture with worse bits tracked on. Your point isn’t wrong is just irrelevant