I left Ubuntu when they sent all my dock search history to Amazon. But this time is different, should I leave Fedora considering how much it is developed by Red Hat?
I’ve actively defended this distribution and Red Hat for many years now and I’m deep in their technology but I want to avoid being a Devil’s Advocate.
EDIT: I decided to give it some more time, I’ll stay on Kinoite for now, if Red Hat’s IBMfication reaches Fedora, I’ll switch to Debian assuming we don’t have a high quality immutable replacement by then. I’ve been on /r/opensuse and read rbrownsuse’s posts enough times to know MicroOS KDE is NOT a good suggestion, their rebranding doesn’t clean up their history.
You should use Debian.
Or Ubuntu if you need long term support, private or corporate, for example. Free 10-year support for up to 5 machines is no joke in my book. They no longer send search results to Amazon. 🥲 If they start again, you can always migrate back to Debian without huge difficulty.
Absolutely. Debian is the only distribution that’s truly safe from a corporate takeover. Some people call their strict governance model onerous, I call it necessary.
Of the mainstream ones definitely. Otherwise there are some indepedent distros where that wouldn’t happen.
Would you say the for Gentoo?
There is literally zero practical reason to switch, so no one can answer that question without getting into your head and weighing the inconvenience of switching a distro against the ideological fervor and satisfaction you gain from showing those evil capitalists at Red Hat that you won’t tolerate their actions by… switching off an almost entirely unrelated distro.
Personally I won’t be switching away from Fedora for the foreseeable future, and think that you and half the people in this thread are being more than a little silly.
edit: Also, “now that”? This move is completely in line with Red Hat’s behaviour for the past like 20 years. It will also quite literally affect nothing else but the existence of RHEL clones like Alma and Rocky, because virtually all the code and work that goes into RHEL is still upstreamed, and RHEL sources will still continue, in practice, to be publicly available, just with some delay.
If you can switch, switch.
If you can’t switch, wait until Fedora is forked to a new project, which is inevitable at this point given how dependent Fedora is on Red Hat for governance (source: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/), and it seems that Red Hat no longer wants Fedora (source: recent pivoting away from the community, and laying off the Fedora project lead in May and terminating the position).
I expect within a few years, you will be able to just change repositories and a signing key, and load whatever community-based Freedora replaces it.
I would avoid openSUSE which just wants to be another Red Hat (Aeon is just a shitty Silverblue and the project lead hates KDE) and SuSE in general has been hostile towards free software in the past and will likely do so again if they had to choose.
Arch, Debian, EndeavourOS, Solus, NixOS are community driven and unlikely to have some kind of corporate/hostile takeover.
I would avoid openSUSE which just wants to be another Red Hat (Aeon is just a shitty Silverblue and the project lead hates KDE) and SuSE in general has been hostile towards free software in the past and will likely do so again if they had to choose.
That’s disappointing to hear. openSuSE is pretty much my go to to recommend new people exactly because from my experience with it it is well maintained but not entangled too much in corporate bullshit. What have they done?
Here is another one to switch to: Gentoo
How could I forget? Thanks. And Slackware, to date myself here.
just use a community-lead or non-profit foundation lead distro: NixOS (better than silverblue/kinoite in all aspects they try to sell), Arch, or Debian.
For professional usage, you generally go Ubuntu, or some RHEL derivative.
I don’t think that Fedora will be affected by the changes RedHat has made with RHEL in the near future. It’s still a Community Distro. So there is no need to switch right now.
I’m using Silverblue currently, but i’m thinking about hopping to VanillaOS when they switch to Debian as a Base.
Fedora is 100% community distribution with Red Hat as a sponsor and large contributor. Fedora will always be 100% free and open-source and will never charge to make source-code available if that concerns people. This reflects heavily on their Freedom foundation: “[…] a completely free project that anyone can emulate or copy in whole or in part for their own purposes.”
Red Hat may have a grip on resources and funding for the project, but neither IBM nor Red Hat have ultimate decision-making powers.
Depends on how your your perspective on this is: I don’t think this will affect the distro at all, development and maintenance will probably continue as is and you as the user will not feel any difference…
But if you don’t want to use any of their projects anymore, you should switch, yes. But don’t think you somehow “hurt or harm” them by “boycotting” fedora. Since you don’t pay anything for fedora, you do not provide them any revenue by using it, therefore you are not taking any possible source of income away by NOT using it anymore.
You switching to another distro will change only what you use and nothing in the big picture. So it’s 100% up to you with literally zero external factors to consider… atleast imho
If everyone thought like that we wouldn’t be on Lemmy.
It’s honestly hard to say. Pretty much only pure vanilla Debian hasn’t done something I disliked. Okay well except the whole “systemd will not be a thing” ordeal before they changed their minds on that. I think you should wait and see, because RHEL is the original RPM based distro they all stem off of. Companies are just doing everything they can to stay afloat, which results in shitty feeling decisions like this.
Companies are just doing everything they can to stay afloat, which results in shitty feeling decisions like this.
Are we still talking about IBM and his ridiculous amount of capital ?
If u don’t like it change red hat to anything else, I’m not happy with them trying to put open code behind a paywall, and how they r calling us leeches eveb when the community has developed a lot of tools for the ecosystem. Even tough they r somewhat a little behind trends (and development ) I have been with debian for a reason, like how they still support older platforms.
If you don’t like systemd but still want to use Debian, try Devuan.
Pretty much only pure vanilla Debian hasn’t done something I disliked.
You probably are only considering the top 3 Linux distros or something? There are a lot of independent distros out there that have never disappointed me. They tend to be noncommercial (the commercial incentive is what ultimately kills a distro.)
I feel like this is what it finally took to push me to Arch. I absolutely love Fedora too. I don’t mind Redhat as an entity making money for their employees. What I do mind is insulting their users and having another megacorp like IBM make these actual decisions.
I’d never use a distribution that depends on some type of for-profit company in first place.
Insert astronaut “always has been” meme. This was totally predictable once they started embrace/extend/extinguish by forcing through systemd.
Yes, you should try Debian, Arch or NixOS.
Debian is so incredibly different from the other three. I honestly don’t really understand why so many people seem to consider that switch.
I’m currently on Silverblue and I love the image based system they’ve got going. So if I’d switch, OpenSuse MicroOS is high on my list. Otherwise NixOS or Arch would be an option as well. Maybe Arch given the amount of users (which typically means slightly better support with bigger changes of things having been tested against it)
If you’re strongly tied to KDE and immutability, then I would say no. There’s not really an equivalent distro that provides stable immutability with a solid KDE/Plasma experience.
If you’re tied to immutability, but not KDE, then I recommend openSUSE Aeon. It’s Gnome, but with a few extensions, feels great as a KDE replacement. openSUSE Kalpa (KDE) exists, but is in a very rough alpha state and was mostly unusable for my purposes.
If you’re tied to KDE and not immutability, then I recommend really any other distro. Can’t go wrong with Arch, Nix, or even Debian if you don’t mind slightly outdated packages (and that might be false now, I believe it just had a big release?).
For anyone wondering openSUSE Aeon = MicroOS. They renamed it in May.
I was on Debian before switching to Fedora. I might go back but keep my exact same workflow. Installing everything with flatpaks and not doing any changes to the base image.
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That’s a personal decision and will depend on how you feel about using Fedora now. If you do decide to change have a look at openSUSE Kalpa, an immutable KDE based distro.
A good part of the fedora immutable spins that they are just base systems for running flatpak apps and if you use apps as flatpaks what distro to use as a base system doesn’t matter much. Even immutability is not such a big deal as the separation between the base system and the applications. It is less about tech and more about usage habits.
As a flatpak user I can call myself a distro nomad. I’ve switched from Silverblue to Debian now. If you use Kinoite you can try KDE Neon + flatpaks or openSUSE Kalpa (their immutable variant with KDE).
The question is where would you go ? Assuming you want to keep the immutability.
