The evidence seems pretty damning from what I’ve read. Confirmed authentic by Nashville police, too. Big tech and the media seem to be scrambling to cover up and censor the manifesto story as quickly as possible. Make of that what you will… but if this were a right wing terrorist, it’d be news the world over, and nobody would have had an issue with it. The writings shown in the leaks make it very clear that the shootings were racially-motivated - and had been planned for months.
Do you have a link to the manifesto? I can’t seem to find it anywhere. It’s strange how little information is easily available on it; every article I see in search results is informationless fluff, with various attempts to spin something, but they’re all so unclear on what the thing they’re spinning is in the first place it comes across very strange.
To be honest I’ve always kinda thought how much things get censored is overblown, but damn, someone just killed half a dozen people (half of them children), injured hundreds more, and released a manifesto as to why they did it - yet somehow it gets buried. Instead there’s an endless stream of speculation, blame, and talk about everything else. I don’t think there could be anything in the writing that would concern me more than the degree to which it seems to be deliberately ignored.
For the record, I think the guy is a massive fucking dickhead, but he originally broke the story, and imo, did the right thing here. His Twitter is a good place to start: https://nitter.net/scrowder
Damning in what way? It’s already certain that they were guilty. The rantings and ravings from 3 select pages of a journal don’t really do any credit to anything.
A court has ordered that it not be published, pending litigation. The places that have published it have done so on very dubious legal grounds.
Free speech has limits - you can’t shout “fire” in a crowded theatre - and free press has similar limits. The public interest should be first and foremost, not ratings or clicks.
You cannot tell me with a straight face that if the suspect’s political ideology were far right, that the media and large tech platforms would be employing the exact same response. This isn’t a matter of legal proceedings, it’s glaringly-obvious demonstration of what mainstream media and their counterparts will do in order to silence any story that may damage the credibility of their beliefs. This was an anti-white hate crime. It is being suppressed. If this were an anti-black hate crime, it would be covered worldwide, court orders be damned - and you know it.
I’m telling you with a straight face that it doesn’t matter whether they were left or right, they’re still full of shit.
Maybe, in an academic setting, it might have value to analyse their writings. So we can study how they devolved into madness. Such a study will come much later - but reactionary bullshit like this really isn’t beneficial.
I mean, the whole story when it broke was massively over-exaggerated. “A trans person went on a school shooting, OMG TRANS PEOPLE ARE EVIL!” was the narrative. That’s not rational, that’s just sensationalism. This leak isn’t about serving the public good, it’s about stoking more of the same sensationalism.
Gun crime in all forms is bad. Focus on the gun crime, don’t idolise the villains.
In any case, by the law, it was not supposed to be released yet. People sued to have it released, it shouldn’t be released until after those lawsuits are resolved. Furthermore, the reason it was ordered not to be released was for the benefit of the families of children who went to the school.
Also, calling it a “manifesto” is such bullshit. It’s 3 select pages of a journal full of mind vomit rants. That’s not a manifesto, which is something far more coherent and fully fleshed out.
Again, if the perpetrator instead happened to be a far right terrorist instead, this same response would NOT be happening, and you know that. This is a case of media bias and suppression, and you can dress it up any way you like. There are plenty of ways in which cases like these SHOULD be handled by the media, but historically aren’t. Why is this particular case so special? Why are news organizations and big tech platforms trying so desperately to bury this particular case, when their response wasn’t such for high profile far right terrorist/racially-motivated attacks in recent years? It’s not like the media has ever given a shit about doing the right thing. If you truly believe these platforms operate on objective reasoning, then why have they never employed it until now? It couldn’t be that the difference between this attack and others is that Nashville just happens to have been acted out in the name of anti-white hate (based on the shooter’s own writings and political ideology?)
Media companies only care about profit. Mass shootings are guaranteed profit for large media companies, and history has shown that they will happily share any story guaranteed to bring in more revenue and spark outrage, especially given that any fines issued for breach of confidential legal information will pale in comparison to the revenue earned. So what’s so special about this one? It’s the first in a long, long time to run counter to the mainstream media and big tech’s generally left wing narrative. They’re protecting their own. If you look into the HRC and CEI, which most of America’s large media companies are beholden to, then there are genuine financial consequences for not staying in line and protecting the ideology they espouse.
I’m sorry, but I don’t buy your argument on this. We fundamentally disagree here.
It fundamentally is not media bias or suppression. The court has ordered that the documents not be released, pending litigation. The leak itself is illegitimate - the publication of the leak is maybe not.
The reason for it not being released is detailed in court documents. It’s not a permanent decision, just one pending the outcome of litigation that has already been filed.
Now, maybe reddit is being dodgy, but at the same time they do have a legal argument to follow that judgment. Publishing the illegitimate leak is itself dubious. That’s why it was done on Musk’s X platform, the place circling the drain due to debt from a leveraged buyout, where right wing extermists can freely experiment with what they can get away with.
I’ll say it again, even in spite of the court order, publishing the journal serves no real public interest. I challenge you to explain how publishing it right now does.
School shootings are not about left wing or right wing. It’s about people whose lives are fucked up wanting to fuck other people up before they leave this world. If you stepped out of the US right wing bubble you might see that there is plenty of opportunity for a much brighter world. Instead, you seem to be focused on saying “See! Other people do it too!” rather than addressing the core problem of people doing it in the first place.
This shooting happened 8 months ago. The shooter has been dead for 8 months. It’s been known that they were trans for 8 months, it’s been known that they were left wing for 8 months, it’s been known that they were extreme for 8 months. 8 months later, this is story is a storm in a teacup, one that has been exaggerated and does not give the full context. This isn’t a manifesto, it’s 3 pages curated out of a ranting journal.
If the shooter were right wing, it would still be just as likely that the court would restrict the release of the journal, on behalf of the children still attending the school, pending litigation.
The evidence seems pretty damning from what I’ve read. Confirmed authentic by Nashville police, too. Big tech and the media seem to be scrambling to cover up and censor the manifesto story as quickly as possible. Make of that what you will… but if this were a right wing terrorist, it’d be news the world over, and nobody would have had an issue with it. The writings shown in the leaks make it very clear that the shootings were racially-motivated - and had been planned for months.
Do you have a link to the manifesto? I can’t seem to find it anywhere. It’s strange how little information is easily available on it; every article I see in search results is informationless fluff, with various attempts to spin something, but they’re all so unclear on what the thing they’re spinning is in the first place it comes across very strange.
To be honest I’ve always kinda thought how much things get censored is overblown, but damn, someone just killed half a dozen people (half of them children), injured hundreds more, and released a manifesto as to why they did it - yet somehow it gets buried. Instead there’s an endless stream of speculation, blame, and talk about everything else. I don’t think there could be anything in the writing that would concern me more than the degree to which it seems to be deliberately ignored.
For the record, I think the guy is a massive fucking dickhead, but he originally broke the story, and imo, did the right thing here. His Twitter is a good place to start: https://nitter.net/scrowder
Damning in what way? It’s already certain that they were guilty. The rantings and ravings from 3 select pages of a journal don’t really do any credit to anything.
A court has ordered that it not be published, pending litigation. The places that have published it have done so on very dubious legal grounds.
Free speech has limits - you can’t shout “fire” in a crowded theatre - and free press has similar limits. The public interest should be first and foremost, not ratings or clicks.
You cannot tell me with a straight face that if the suspect’s political ideology were far right, that the media and large tech platforms would be employing the exact same response. This isn’t a matter of legal proceedings, it’s glaringly-obvious demonstration of what mainstream media and their counterparts will do in order to silence any story that may damage the credibility of their beliefs. This was an anti-white hate crime. It is being suppressed. If this were an anti-black hate crime, it would be covered worldwide, court orders be damned - and you know it.
I’m telling you with a straight face that it doesn’t matter whether they were left or right, they’re still full of shit.
Maybe, in an academic setting, it might have value to analyse their writings. So we can study how they devolved into madness. Such a study will come much later - but reactionary bullshit like this really isn’t beneficial.
I mean, the whole story when it broke was massively over-exaggerated. “A trans person went on a school shooting, OMG TRANS PEOPLE ARE EVIL!” was the narrative. That’s not rational, that’s just sensationalism. This leak isn’t about serving the public good, it’s about stoking more of the same sensationalism.
Gun crime in all forms is bad. Focus on the gun crime, don’t idolise the villains.
In any case, by the law, it was not supposed to be released yet. People sued to have it released, it shouldn’t be released until after those lawsuits are resolved. Furthermore, the reason it was ordered not to be released was for the benefit of the families of children who went to the school.
Also, calling it a “manifesto” is such bullshit. It’s 3 select pages of a journal full of mind vomit rants. That’s not a manifesto, which is something far more coherent and fully fleshed out.
Again, if the perpetrator instead happened to be a far right terrorist instead, this same response would NOT be happening, and you know that. This is a case of media bias and suppression, and you can dress it up any way you like. There are plenty of ways in which cases like these SHOULD be handled by the media, but historically aren’t. Why is this particular case so special? Why are news organizations and big tech platforms trying so desperately to bury this particular case, when their response wasn’t such for high profile far right terrorist/racially-motivated attacks in recent years? It’s not like the media has ever given a shit about doing the right thing. If you truly believe these platforms operate on objective reasoning, then why have they never employed it until now? It couldn’t be that the difference between this attack and others is that Nashville just happens to have been acted out in the name of anti-white hate (based on the shooter’s own writings and political ideology?)
Media companies only care about profit. Mass shootings are guaranteed profit for large media companies, and history has shown that they will happily share any story guaranteed to bring in more revenue and spark outrage, especially given that any fines issued for breach of confidential legal information will pale in comparison to the revenue earned. So what’s so special about this one? It’s the first in a long, long time to run counter to the mainstream media and big tech’s generally left wing narrative. They’re protecting their own. If you look into the HRC and CEI, which most of America’s large media companies are beholden to, then there are genuine financial consequences for not staying in line and protecting the ideology they espouse.
I’m sorry, but I don’t buy your argument on this. We fundamentally disagree here.
It fundamentally is not media bias or suppression. The court has ordered that the documents not be released, pending litigation. The leak itself is illegitimate - the publication of the leak is maybe not.
The reason for it not being released is detailed in court documents. It’s not a permanent decision, just one pending the outcome of litigation that has already been filed.
Now, maybe reddit is being dodgy, but at the same time they do have a legal argument to follow that judgment. Publishing the illegitimate leak is itself dubious. That’s why it was done on Musk’s X platform, the place circling the drain due to debt from a leveraged buyout, where right wing extermists can freely experiment with what they can get away with.
I’ll say it again, even in spite of the court order, publishing the journal serves no real public interest. I challenge you to explain how publishing it right now does.
School shootings are not about left wing or right wing. It’s about people whose lives are fucked up wanting to fuck other people up before they leave this world. If you stepped out of the US right wing bubble you might see that there is plenty of opportunity for a much brighter world. Instead, you seem to be focused on saying “See! Other people do it too!” rather than addressing the core problem of people doing it in the first place.
This shooting happened 8 months ago. The shooter has been dead for 8 months. It’s been known that they were trans for 8 months, it’s been known that they were left wing for 8 months, it’s been known that they were extreme for 8 months. 8 months later, this is story is a storm in a teacup, one that has been exaggerated and does not give the full context. This isn’t a manifesto, it’s 3 pages curated out of a ranting journal.
If the shooter were right wing, it would still be just as likely that the court would restrict the release of the journal, on behalf of the children still attending the school, pending litigation.