• seathru@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Or, how about we let people put whatever they want into their own body?

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      Normally I’d agree, but cigarettes in particular are a product that is designed to be as addictive as possible with a laundry list of negative health impacts and virtually zero positive ones. Combine that with the fact that you aren’t just putting it in your body but the body of anyone within breathing distance of you, there’s a strong case to be made for banning them outright.

      Put it another way, if cigarettes are legal then marijuana, LSD, MDMA, and a whole host of other drugs should be legal too.

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        Put it another way, if cigarettes are legal then marijuana, LSD, MDMA, and a whole host of other drugs should be legal too.

        Yes. Yes they should.

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        Combine that with the fact that you aren’t just putting it in your body but the body of anyone within breathing distance of you,

        That’s part of responsible use. I’m ok with only letting smokers smoke in specialty ventilated & filtered areas. Easy for me to say, I don’t smoke. But if any adult wants to make an informed decision to, that should be their choice.

        Put it another way, if cigarettes are legal then marijuana, LSD, MDMA, and a whole host of other drugs should be legal too.

        I emphatically agree.

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        Bruh, you know tobacco is a plant. Right?

        Alcohol needs so much work to be made.

        Tobacco is a plant.

        Just like weed.

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            That noone “made it” the way it is, and if dudes gonna smoke a plant, let dude smoke a plant.

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              Cigarettes != tobacco. Tobacco is an ingredient in cigarettes, and not the only one, not by a long shot. Literally dozens of additives are included in cigarettes, many of which are designed to make them more addictive.

              Secondly, modern tobacco absolutely was “made” the way it is, first through selective breeding and then genetic modification to (among other things) increase Nicotine content. Much in the same way that modern weed is far stronger than the stuff grown 50 years ago, so too is tobacco.

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      Tell that to all the smokers trying to quit who wish their younger self had not started in the first place.

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            Do we need to ban everything that a shitty parent might not be able to keep away from their kids?

            Why not expand the definition of child abuse to include these things instead of punishing people who are never around kids?

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              Why not expand the definition of child abuse to include these things instead of punishing people who are never around kids?

              That sounds like a great idea, but it’s going to be impossible to enforce.

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          The theory that when you smoke, the nicotine binds to surfaces the smoke touches, causing cancer to anyone who comes near surfaces that nicotine has touched.

          It was a “truth” run around in the 80s as we were discovering the nature of radiation, so lots of war on drug “research” papers got published functionally saying nicotine and radiation are the same thing.

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            I mean, nicotine does saturate things when you smoke in an enclosed area. It’s impossible to paint over the stained walls of a smoker’s house without chemically stripping them first, because all the accumulated tar will just seep through the paint and leave brown stains. There’s no way that shit’s healthy.

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              You mistake the word “nicotine” for the word “tar”.

              2 wildly different concepts.

              And thank you captain I have something to add for observing that tobacco is less healthy that a carrot.

              I meant for me. I’m not sure if you were talking about people or real estate.

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                Are you suggesting that tar doesn’t contain nicotine or other harmful substances found in cigarettes? Because lol.

                That’s okay though, I’m sure you are very special and immune to it.