VirtualBox 7.1 open-source virtualization software is now available for download with Qt 6 GUI and Wayland support for clipboard sharing.
  • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
    515·
    2 个月前

    Who cares. Why use sub par Type 2 virtualization with DKMS modules when you can use built+in world class, industry standard, Type 1 hypervisor with Qemu+KVM and Virt-Manager? Already has clipboard sharing with qemu-guest-agent.

    • data1701d (He/Him)@startrek.websiteEnglish
      24·
      2 个月前

      I totally agree with you on the Linux side. However, I first got into Linux by using it in Virtualbox on Windows. In the Windows world, as far as I know, it’s the easiest-to-use free-as-in-beer1 hypervisor, so long as UEFI support has improved since I last used it.

      1: I say this because of the non-libre extension pack.

      • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
        3·
        2 个月前

        Hyper-v is bundled with windows now and is just as easy to use as virtualbox (slightly easier for windows guests since the drivers are bundled in the os)

        • data1701d (He/Him)@startrek.websiteEnglish
          21·
          2 个月前

          Who would have thought? I’ve hardly touched Windows in over 2 years (mostly other people’s computers and the occasional app in my GPU-accelerated VM) so I haven’t kept up much.

      • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
        33·
        2 个月前

        I mean yeah, Qemu/KVM is Linux software. We’re talking about Linux here. Ain’t ever heard of that other thing you speak about. Think I I stalled it once in a VM to run some firmware update on some obscure device.

        • bravemonkey@lemmy.ca
          5·
          2 个月前

          Vbox will create a bridge with my wifi card (I’m a laptop user with no option for a wired nic in the host).

          I’ve never been able to get kvm to do that and haven’t found any working instructions online that a simpleton like me can follow

      • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 个月前

        vbox is easy until it starts saying vt-d isn’t enabled and refuses to start when it fact it is.

    • Bobby Turkalino@lemmy.yachts
      6·
      2 个月前

      Virtualizing Windows 10 for various binbows-only work stuff

      Virtualizing Windows XP to run Office from before it started sucking

        • Bobby Turkalino@lemmy.yachts
          5·
          2 个月前

          Ok so I guess I am the stupid because I always assumed kernel-level virtualization meant that you were limited to guest OS’s that used the Linux kernel. I was drawing incorrect connections to Docker

          TIL

          • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
            4·
            2 个月前

            I think it should work with some version of the Q35 chipset, if not PC should work. But Wine might be a better option if you just want to run some old version of office (or frankly just use LibreOffice)

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
        3·
        2 个月前

        Are you paying for a Virtual box commercial license? They change for every employee in the company not just active users.

        Just use KVM and be done with it. You can get the Windows guest drivers and addons from the Fedora project

    • LeFantome@programming.dev
      5·
      2 个月前

      I teach a class where I use VirtualBox. Students commonly use Windows or Mac. I use Linux.

      It is very handily to use VirtualBox where, if I demo something, the same steps will work on the student machine. It is also nice for documentation if you want to show a screenshot.

      I have never used the “extension pack” for this so it would be fine. Educational use seems to be permitted regardless.

    • SomeKindaName@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 个月前

      Because at least for me getting a shared folder to work was a total pain in the ass. Virtualbox just worked in that regard.

    • sanpo@sopuli.xyz
      3·
      2 个月前

      Because for some reason, no matter what I try, Windows 10 desktop is laggy as hell on Qemu, and smooth out of the box on VirtualBox.

    • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
      52·
      2 个月前

      I think VBox is more user friendly? Virt-manager would need a GTK4 (?) update and a few UX improvements.

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
        4·
        2 个月前

        Virtual manager requires a lot less clicks. It also uses libvirt so you can run VMs in the background and on startup.

        If you want a better UI look into other clients.

      • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
        21·
        2 个月前

        Certainly using a slightly dated Gtk is still more user friendly and better integrated than the god aweful stuff Oracle puts up. What UX improvements are you looking for?

    • leo85811nardo@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 个月前

      Because they are for different use cases. I use QEMU+KVM on desktop for games and 3D CAD software, because of its undeniable performance advantage. But on work laptop, I use VirtualBox to test my software on different platforms. On VirtualBox it’s relatively easy to initialize a VM, configure network, file sharing and device passthrough, and its snapshot feature allows me recreate the same environment for troubleshooting

        • leo85811nardo@lemmy.world
          41·
          2 个月前

          I just looked them up and maybe you are right. But QEMU definitely lacks a GUI config tool that is both easy to use and allows for advanced features like snapshots. So far the only ones I know is GNOME Boxes and Virt Manager, and neither is as good as providing handy ways to configure as VirtualBox. I could probably just write the XML config or QEMU command by the documentation, but next time it could be a different scenario so I have to investigate the docs and maybe a few more forum posts. In VirtualBox, the buttons that do everything for me are always there

          • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
            21·
            2 个月前

            But QEMU definitely lacks a GUI config tool that is both easy to use and allows for advanced features like snapshots.

            Let me say it louder for the people in the back: https://virt-manager.org/

            It literally does everything you mentioned, including allowing you to edit the XML files manually to reach advanced or obscure features that are not exposed. And it can do it remotely via SSH, and it managed LXC and Xen too.

            • leo85811nardo@lemmy.world
              2·
              2 个月前

              Last time I tried Virt manager, I couldn’t figure out bridge networks and ended up corrupted the XML config for the VM. Skill issue for me I guess

              • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                2 个月前

                Bridge networking should be as simple as selecting “bridge” in the network interface setting and putting the name of your bridge interface… You can create a bridge interface with Network-Manager. Or use macvtap.

    • NotAnArdvark@lemmy.ca
      21·
      2 个月前

      Doesn’t VirtualBox use KVM if it’s available?

      I likeVBoxManage. Any crazy thing I’ve ever imagined doing with a VM it’s already supported.

      So, to answer your question - I use VirtualBox because it does everything I want and I’ve never had a reason to look elsewhere.

      • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
        21·
        2 个月前

        No, VBox does not use KVM unless you use some off brand backend, which is an extra layer of complexity and software you must install and manage.

        Absolutely everything you might want to do with VBoxManager is going to be available via virsh and the multiple libviet utilities.

        I’ve never had a reason to look elsewhere.

        Not using Type 2 hypervisor would be a good one. Not being beholden to Oracle’s shitry licensing schemes is certainly another.

  • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
    473·
    2 个月前

    What ever you happens, do not use this for commercial purposes. Virtual box is free and libre but the guest addons are not. They will find and bill you for every single person in your company. Not per active user but per employee. This has cost companies millions

    Under Linux you can just use KVM. Gnome boxes or virtual manager should work fine.

    • Laurel Raven@lemmy.zipEnglish
      14·
      2 个月前

      And they DO NOT CARE if you don’t actually use or install the extensions (unless something has changed, the guest add-ons are part of the free open source part, it’s the extensions for things like USB 2 support that aren’t free for commercial)

      You can use it freely, by license, but they’ll come after you anyway

      I’m still pissed that they bought Sun, so many great products now controlled by those assholes… Virtual box, MySQL, Solaris, Java…

      • LeFantome@programming.dev
        3·
        2 个月前

        The only license that VirtualBox and the Guest Additions are even released under is GPL3. I do not even see a dual license.

        What remedy are they proposing when they come after you? I am not sure I would even take their call or respond to their letter. If I did, I would just send them the GPL text, announce that we are complying, and tell them to pound sand.

        I suppose it might be fun to tell them that I got it via IBM or Red Hat or something and to take it up with them. But I probably would not actually be dishonest about. As above, if I got a letter asking me to pay for their GPL software, I would just mutter “idiots” and throw it away. If they want to persist, it would only cost them money and I would continue to respond the same way.

        • Laurel Raven@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          2 个月前

          The extension pack does cost and is licensed differently from the core product

          I did try that tact, more or less, but the fact is they kept harassing our licensing people and it just wasn’t worth it so we removed every copy of it and used something else

          And the truth is, Oracle can throw an ungodly amount of legal hassle at people if they want, right or wrong… Just because you’re in the right and should win doesn’t mean there’ll be anything left of you on the other side, and they won’t have felt a thing while destroying you out of capriciousness

          They’re pure evil and even their fully open source products should be avoided like the plague that they are. Hopefully someone will fork them at some point so we don’t have to be tied to that shitty company, but until then, better to just leave them alone, because it’s just not worth the hassle.

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
        31·
        2 个月前

        I’ve just seen quite a few posts about companies getting audited by Oracle over Virtual box and Java

    • LeFantome@programming.dev
      1·
      2 个月前

      I use the version of VirtualBox that has been modified to use KVM as the back-end. Do you know if it has the same problems?

        • LeFantome@programming.dev
          1·
          2 个月前

          I do not believe I have had to accept anything. I am installing it from the AUR and it builds from source. Pretty sure it just went straight into the UI the first time I launched it ( without a EULA ).

          I will have to look into it. Thank you for the answer through.

  • ouch@lemmy.world
    35·
    2 个月前

    Use software owned by Oracle? Fuck that, I would rather get mauled by a bear.

  • s4if@lemmy.world
    3·
    2 个月前

    Neat. As I am in the process of fully migrating to wayland, it is good. I only work as a teacher, so I don’t really concern about licensing, lol.