wow just wow while i can’t say i didn’t see this one coming but it always amazes me where greed could lead someone
Google is an ad company. To them, a web browser is nothing more than a tool for collecting user data and delivering ads.
When you use a chromium based browser you are allowing google, an ad company, to decide what the future of web browsing should look like. And this is the result.
Firefox is the ONLY browser which is genuinely competing with google. Do you think ad and tracking blockers are going to get better or worse once they die out, and literally every major browser is running on chromium?
Use firefox and u-block origin. Enjoy a superior, ad free, browsing experience, and support the future of an open web.
It’s so encouraging to hear so many pro Firefox opinions lately. Then I remember I’m logged into the pirate instance of a federates platform and anti-corporate sentiment is probably as high as it gets.
Sadly most younger people haven’t even heard of Firefox.
Most young people are basically tech illiterate. Yeah they are fantastic with new apps and phones. But have zero idea how any of it works under the hood.
Ask them to transfer a file from a computer to a USB drive, most will not know how. They have no idea how a file system is structured or even that an app has to specifically made for different platforms… e.g. Facebook app on Apple is completely different from Facebook on Android and the two will contain different bugs and different settings.
We are almost back to default browser = internet
You’re absolutely right.
Yeah they are fantastic with new apps and phones.
I think that’s mostly because most commercial apps have fantastic ui and ux.
It’s my preferred mobile browser because you can install ublock origin and other privacy extensions which is pretty unique
Firefox on android is really slow. I tried using it, but now I use Vivaldi
Pros : really fast Cons : chromium based
Well, we are in the worst cyberpunk timeline so…
It’s my preferred mobile browser because you can install ublock origin and other privacy extensions which is pretty unique
Most younger people have heard of it. Using what came with their computer is just easier to them though.
I agree, most of the younger people use browsers that are bundled with the operating system.
- Android = Chrome
- Windows = Edge
- Mac/iOS = Safari
most of the younger people
You mean most people. Specifically anyone who isn’t a power user
Right? After years of feeling like the only pro-firefox person left on the planet, the pro Firefox sentiment lately is a breath of fresh air, to say the least.
Young people seem to proudly go along with the biggest name, which is really sad. They think there’s merit in that, conforming means acceptance.
Meanwhile, anytime I encounter a young non-conformist doing something very contrarian, it gives me some hope for the future. Because 99% of society is open-armedly embracing dystopia because the one thing they hate more than anything is the burden of independent thought and self-determinism. To intelligent freethinking individuals, seeing it play out is a waking nightmare.
Sadly, at the end of the day I prefer edge because it
has cloud voicesis slightly faster
Thank you for this.
No way I’ll use YouTube with ads. The amount of your lifetime they waste is what I’d consider disrespectful to their users. Even if the ads were bearable, I wouldn’t turn off my ad blocker on any Google site for tracking alone.
I also don’t see myself subscribing to YouTube Premium, firstly because it’s too expensive (stop including your music streaming service and make it cheaper maybe?), but also because YouTube is just a platform with a lot of not curated content that YouTube had no part in creating.
Let’s see how the cat and mouse games between YouTube and ad blockers and alternative frontends go. If it’s too much of a hassle, I’ll just stop using YouTube. I don’t miss Twitter, I don’t miss Reddit, and I won’t miss YouTube.
Eh, I wound up with a YouTube premium subscription years ago when I subscribed to Google play music, way back when it was YouTube Red. I cannot imagine going without at this point. It became YouTube music at some point, and… Yeah.
Report issue. You’re not running an adblocker! wink
Google already has trouble with support, if they have a million lightly befuddled users who are getting blocked and “don’t know why”, that will be a problem for Google.
Somehow I feel like they won’t care, those reports probably go directly into the bin.
It would only work if enough people do it to show up on their metrics.
They’ll care if enough people do it. Being flooded with reports is just as time consuming
Might report this as an issue even while I’m not seeing it, just for some extra confusion.
I haven’t had this happen using ublock origin, but if they do figure out how to block ublock origin, adnausiem (ublock origin fork) might work. It’s a fork of ublock origin that tricks the ad providers into thinking you clicked on every ad, which not only bypasses a lot of adblock detectors, it Actively costs them money by polluting their ad data with garbage.
If they really want to prevent us from watching videos without ads, they can. They know of the ad is watched or not, we can have some kind of auto-mute-during-ad but that’s it.
Question is if they will kill network effect with it.
I have already drastically reducedy yt watching because of too many sponsors… watching two minutes of sponsored material, plus two ads just to see that I don’t even wanna watch the stupid video is too much.
Not to mention those laud ads in the middle of relaxing and quiet video… few months ago one ad was starting with screaming, that’s when I said no way.
That’s why SponsorBlock is a godsend. I can’t stand all the in-video ads.
it Actively costs them money by polluting their ad data with garbage.
Lmaoo, i’m going to install that
Really not worth watching a 10 minute video that has four minutes of YouTube ads and a minute of a sponsor pitch by the creator.
I just don’t get how these providers (Specifically Reddit with the API lockdown and now the stranglehold on mods, Twitter’s new login requirement, and YouTube now cracking down on adblockers) are missing the point that their sites live and die by user generated content.
I understand these sites are hugely expensive to run, but if you keep alienating those who are bringing users to your site in the first place, people will stop submitting and people will stop visiting.
Well, realistically there is a good chance that this will turn out just fine business-wise. They don’t care if they lose some engagement or if the quality goes to shit. It’s all good, as long as it makes some money.
In my opinion, this sort of model should be considered anti-competitive. It has become apparent that these services operate on a model where they offer a service that is too good to be true in order to kill the competition, and then they switch to their actual profitable business plan. If you think about it, peertube is a much more sensible economical model with its federation and p2p streaming. But nobody has ever cared about it because huge tech giants offer hosting & bandwith “for free”. The evil part of youtube is not the ads, its the fact that it allowed us to bypass them long enough for the entire planet to become dependent on it.
The majority of people don’t use any form of ad block, especially on mobile so i’m not sure your argument holds there. I don’t see how Youtube wanting to monetize its users somehow will make the quality go to shit? Centralized things need to be monetized, and as much as we all would like it, a mainstream decentralized video streaming platform is not realistic given current tech.
I don’t personally see this as in the same category as what Twitter and Reddit are doing.
The only piss off for me with the Youtube ads is they used to be reasonable 5 second ads. Now they are just absurd with multiple multi-minute ads. Yes you can sometimes skip them but it is so unfriendly to the user.
Twitter and Reddit sure but youtube is not a user generated content site. youtube has big creators and they are the main reason people go to the site.
The more ad-riddled they make the platform to try and monetise users, the more they make adblocks necessary to even be usable.
I didn’t use to both with adblockers. I didn’t like ads, but they didn’t affect me enough for me to go through any effort blocking them.
Now I use blockers everywhere, on every platform. Even for creators I like, because I know how little they actually make for ads - so how bout instead of watching 12 hours of ads so they can get 2c, I just send them a dollar or buy their merch every once in a while to not watch ads at all? Etc.
Ads could have had a place. There are ads that serve a purpose, that have minimal disruption but still give businesses a way to develop awareness for those who might want to use them.
Movie trailers (including when they stopped trailing movies and started leading them) are examples of ‘acceptable ads’ to me. When I purchase something from a store and they include a printed card from their sponsor. When sports teams have logos for being sponsored. A work van with the business logo parked while out on call. Etc.
But the internet’s online ads? Email spam? Telemarketing? These are forms of advertising that are actively hostile, and they’ve become the default. So now a user that wants to be on the internet at all is best served by block all ads, including the ones that would’ve otherwise been reasonable.
Google will never make me feel guilty for blocking ads when they’re already making their search engine unusable, too.
And while I’m at it, here’s the filters to add to your uBlock Origin’s MY FILTERS settings to block YT’s blocker:
youtube.com##+js(set, yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false)
youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0)
youtube.com##+js(set, ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, [])
youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)
I’ll add this the next time I’m on my computer.
Same
Blockers to block blockers. insert Xzibit meme
Thanks BTW.
Wait, surely that doesn’t work? It might block the "disable your adblocker popup but there’s no way this is all it takes for yt to continue serving videos?
It’s feasible that there are other variables that have been missed, but essentially this works. The server asks us a question, and we answer it. We just skip the bit where we provide evidence.
It’s like looking up the answers in the back of the textbook on a test. The only thing the server sees is the paper we’re handing in, it has no idea if we cheated or not.
Boring technical explanation:
For a server (in this case, YouTube) to see what a client (your computer) is doing, it has to reach out and ask it. When a request is made, the two points will ‘handshake’ to confirm that they heard the request, then when they’ve done it. It looks something like this:
- Client to server: are you prepared?
- Server to client. Yes, I am prepared. (503 if failure)
- Acknowledge. Client requests [data].
- Request received.
- (Server processes request.)
- Server to client. Are you prepared for response?
- Yes, I am prepared.
- Acknowledge. Response sent.
- Response received. Close connection.
- Connection closed.
These steps can be repeated any number of times in response to a single user mouseclick, depending on what you’re trying to do. A ‘request timeout’ error is what happens if client/server asks “are you prepared?” and it takes too long for the server/client to answer “yes, I am”, so you hang up the phone.
For the server to treat clients differently at all, it needs to contact them for feedback. For adblocking, it has to ask your client if you’re adblocking. Usually the server does this by sending the client a request to serve an ad - if your client never answers back to confirm it was loaded, then the server knows you blocked the ad. The devs can tell the server that if it doesn’t get a certain answer, to enable the punishment effects. (They’ll technically be sent anyway; they’re just hidden/disabled by default if your client handshakes the ad.)
What these scripts do is lie to the server. The server asks the client if we received the ad, we ignore the script that checks whether the ad is loaded and instead directly change the answer to claim it has. Since all the server sees is the confirmation, it doesn’t know the difference.
FreeTube/Piped on PC
ReVanced on droid
uYou+ on 🍎 phone
SmartTubeNext on 📺
Youtube can do the fuck they want on their website
add mpv+youtube-dl to thr mix and you get a full healthy dinner
yt-dlp is the successor. On droid there are several beautiful front ends for yt-dlp so you don’t need a terminal emulator
please share them with us
https://github.com/JunkFood02/Seal
This is the one I’ve been using
Seal.
there’s also Newpipe x Sponsorblock on android.
Can’t they block the likes of Freetube, Newpipe, Revanced?
These clients use the same set of APIs as the YouTube official client. Unlike the Twitter and Reddit clients which used APIs for 3rd-party.
Newpipe doesn’t use youtube official API. It does webpage parsing afaik
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uYou can’t be used on non-jailbroken devices, right?
No you can. You need to choose from AltStore, TrollStore and Sideloadly depending on what works for you, then sideload the uYou+ IPA (or the IPA of any app)
Thanks, looking into AltStore now!
Probably get shit for this, but…
I just pay for Premium.
YT has literally become my cable. I listen to music, watch movies, documentaries, stand up comedy, news, sports… and cat videos, obviously.
To me it’s just worth it to pay a bit of money each month and have the whole thing just available to me.
I feel like if you were to put a money value on all the complaining, stomping of feet and trying to side-step the ads I’ve seen over the last several years, you’d probably find it’s actually less to just pay and enjoy it.
Just my opinion, of course…
you do you if you use it that much and you think it’s worth your money then good for you ( i honestly mean it ) we don’t like youtube ads, YES that is true but it is not the only reason :
- some of us hate youtube ( and google by extent ) for tracking
- some of us hate youtube because it’s algorithms tricking us into forcing certain agendas and ideals upon us
- some of us hate youtube because the hypocrisy around how they treat content creator differently yet claiming they are all under the same “rules”
the list goes on but what i want to say is that we don’t hate people who pay for youtube we hate those who defend the platform like it’s a white knight and nothing shady happening in it
It’s the principle of the matter to me. Google became the multibillion dollar corporation it is by selling my data, your data, everyones data. To then come around and demand I pay to continue using their service the way I have for over a decade? But also still continue selling our data? Nah, fuck that. When they cut me in a percentage on the data selling business, maybe then I’d consider premium.
Google sucks and YouTube is evil.
If they were not such an explicitly and overtly shitty company, I’d pay for premium no qualms.
As it is, I wouldn’t give them a dollar if the CEO would personally suck me off.If the CEO would suck me off, that would be worth a dollar to me, honestly.
Given that we are in the piracy subreddit, you can change your Google account to Argentina or similar and pay Argentinian prices for premium. I’m from Europe and I pay 2€ for a family subscription for 5 people.
I pay for Indian Youtube Premium with Revolut
How’d you manage to get the pricing? VPN?
VPN to India, Revolut Rupee “account”, virtual debit card and an Indian street name generator
I’m doing it with Spotify :]
How couldtl you do that? Asking for a friend
Use a VPN when signing up for premium.
Nah, can’t do it on principle. I know they already make money from me for selling my data, I’m not going to also pay them to do that.
If there was a cheaper option to just remove ads, I’d consider paying for Premium. I’m not interested in YouTube Music or whatever else comes with Premium, I just want no ads. To me, the price of Premium isn’t worth what I would use it for.
I agree if they charged around half price of Netflix I would be more interested.
And the part with supporting the creators. I don’t trust Google to give more than pennies to them regardless if I pay or not, I use other ways to support the ones I follow.
As for the last part, if Linus from LTT is to be believed (I usually trust his opinions), on the WAN show they were discussing this just last night and he said that the majority of YouTube premium revenue goes to the creators. Or, rather he said that YouTube doesn’t pocket the majority so there could be some tricky nuances in there somewhere but he seemed to indicate that the creators get more than YouTube does in that deal.
Okay that’s good to hear!
I’ve heard this before too. TikTok is particularly bad, but twitch was worse than YouTube. Not sure about any of these newer ones.
Well, just use a vpn and subscribe in another country. You can even make a family account and add your current account and maybe some friends to your „family“. Turkey seems pretty cheap, like 1,50€ / month. That’s the route I will follow when YT is showing me this message on my account.
You’re paying for premium, but you’re not paying it to people producing the content you enjoy. You’re paying it to a middle man parasite. Content creators get a tiny fraction of your money.
Paying because they made it deliberately difficult to use without paying is akin to giving the bully your lunch money because it’s better “money value” than standing up for yourself. That’s not something I can do without losing respect for myself.
And my “trying to side step the ads” has so far taken a total of 30 seconds - installing uBlock origin, which I would have done anyway.
Besides, to use premium you need to be logged in. Being logged in Google outside of a contained environment is idiotic if you have a shred of respect for your own privacy.
That middle-man parasite enables those creators to upload their content for free and provides the bandwidth and discovery for everyone here to watch them. It’s a give and take relationship, I especially don’t see the problem here as creators still get more money from Premium viewers than they do ad-supported viewers. Sure you would get more from a direct payment to the creator, but you’re not subscribing to every creator you watch either.
You know that this parasite in the first place enables creators to make a living? Youtube also has the best revenue split between it and the creators. They’re storing exabytes of data for you, watchable at any time, in any resolution you’d like. Google has been running Youtube at a loss for a long time and ads are not going to cover the costs. They need paying users. 12.99$ a month for more videos than Netflix, Amazon Prime etc… , unlimited music streaming and even giving your favorite creators more money (they get more revenue from premium members than from free “ad-viewing” members) is not a lot to ask for. Stop your Spotify or Netflix or Hulu or Sky subscription and get youtube premium.
@FederalAlienSmuggler
@whatsarefoogee
what forum do you think you are posting on lmao@FederalAlienSmuggler
@whatsarefoogee
back in my day “pay the artists, fuck the platforms” was the motto
The likening to cable is noteworthy because cable started as a means of “tv without those pesky ads” and then…
I had your same mindset for years but the cost of premium went up this year and when looking at the new price vs other streaming services, it didn’t make sense for my family any more. If their AdBlock thing starts screwing with my account, I just might be done with all Google products.
It’s especially worth it if you can get a sub from a developing country
How much is it supposed to cost? Here on Chile it is around 5 bucks
I also have been paying for Premium the last couple years and I completely agree. I get more value out of my premium subscription than I do Netflix or Max. Plus premium supports the creators more than ads do.
just get revanced
They’ll probably push ads for premium users too, though
If that happens I’ll probably just stop using it
No, all your reasoning so far just comes to the conclusion that you will pay for ad-free Super Premium.
I will have to start paying for premium now ig.
If you’re demanding I watch ads, it’s not “free”. you’re demanding my time and probably attention.
I really think we need to stop with this idea that “Something is free” because no money is exchanged. Some stuff ARE free, there are repos on git, where you can download software, there are websites that ask for nothing. However Gmail, Youtube, reddit, and the rest are not “Free” just because they aren’t directly asking for money.
To everyone who is saying they use adblock and haven’t seen this yet: YouTube probably rolled this out to a smaller percentage of users first. It allows them to understand how this change impacts user behaviour, e.g. how many users comply and disable their adblocker, how many more users close YouTube than usual etc. Most tech companies do this type of analysis before releasing a high impact change to all users.
I do close youtbe much quicker than I used to. I can watch one video and rhan I’m done. The next video starts with a full minte of ads and I’m out. I know there’s stuff like ReVanced, but I keep wondering wether it’s all worth it.
ReVanced is definitely worth setting up. It only takes a couple of minutes and vastly improves the experience using YouTube. I also homebrewed my LG tv to download a hacked YouTube ad free app for that which includes sponsorblock.
I have a premium subscription, but it logs you out. And then I see ads until I log in again and reload the page. I pay these people. I should never ever see an ad. And it’s enough that I’ve noticed the ads are more obnoxious than they used to be. I’m about done with it.
You’ll hear this over and over again but that’s because it’s true: Revanced is absolutely worth it. Not difficult to set up and the experience is life changing once you see YouTube without ads
Odysee is a great, decentralised alternative if you are looking to jump ship.
If you do end up sticking with youtube, ReVanced is good. Smart Tube Next is good for TVs, and firefox + ublock origin on desktop.
For iOS users Vinegar is a nice add-on for Safari that strips out all the ads etc.
Honestly I think I’ll go full hoarder with YouTube archivist and find a way to stream/synchronize on my devices. I mostly use YouTube to go to sleep so there is no way I go back to videos being interrupted by loud ass ads.
i don’t want to be a buzz kill but if this train continue its course i am afraid that they gonna do something about youtube-dl
And then there will be another fork that does something about their something. Just like what happened to Vanced, for example.
they wouldn’t be able to do anything. youtube-dl doesn’t use an API or anything like that, it just streams the video like a browser would and rips the stream. if they somehow actually managed to selectively block youtube-dl, all youtube-dl would have to do is send a different user agent. the only defense against stream ripping in general is to not stream anything at all, which Youtube obviously cannot do
i agree that stopping stream ripping is indeed impossible ,what i am afraid (and think) that they gonna put small hurdles in the way until they become a big shore to overcome and this is a worst case scenario but may be they gonna implement DRM like netflix does in the future
There would always be some ways to save the video as long as it’s played on your machine
This is terrifying.
What’s happened with invidious suggests it’s already starting in that regard.
A long as there is a way to view a video, there will be a way to save it.
Protip: On Peertube (at least for now), you can sync channels really easily so you can get a full archive of a good channel.
Better do it fast
This is what I’m doing since the elsagate scandal, and a recent one where there was an ad of an obese dude jacking off (I’m in the middle east, this happened about 6 months ago).
I just automate the downloads of new youtube videos and let use jellyfin to watch it.
I don’t use youtube much, but I had to selfhost because the youtube kids app is fucking nasty. I have my pihole block youtube domains for my kid’s device (firewall does captive dns/redirection of all dns requests to pihole).
My child likes dr binocs and brave wilderness.
Whats up with all these online companies just deciding to be assholes this year.
Companies are becoming even more greedy recently across the board and at a rapid pace. Some people would want you to believe Youtube wouldn’t generate billions of dollars as income annually for Alphabet for some reason. But the truth is the platform is extremely profitable already. Youtube simply wants even more now because competition has done the same. We’ve seen prices spiraling up and quality dropping in pretty much all sectors of the economy and this trend will continue for the forseeable future.
In short: Because they can (some are really stretching their boundaries, though)
and try to speak about this to anyone who doesnt see it you are basically labeled as conspiracy theorist or something and just dismissed.
Like another poster said, investors are pushing for profits. The Sillicon Valley model of throwing money at it until they figure it out is suffering with the downturn in the markets. So with the VC and investor money drying up, sites are pushing to make money to keep the lights on.
I would’t say keeping the lights on, more then trying to beat covid lvl profits.
I think this is the real thing. If online companies don’t match the extremely ridiculous and luck they had during the pandemic then they are doing “worse” even if they are doing just fine.
All of them also seem to be focused more on short term gains over long term losses (i.e. meeting quarterly goals by raising rates but driving away otherwise good customers and completely disregarding the benefit of customer loyalty.).
Interest rates went up and now they need to make payments on their previously free debt.
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They were always assholes, but the end of zero interest rates is making American corporations go from boiling the frog to just smoking the frog alive.
Why is it all in July too???
I’m not paying for YouTube. It’s algorithm sucks, it routinely sells your personal data, and virtually none of the money you spend goes to its creators–that YouTube pretends otherwise is repulsive. How did we get in the situation where we’re being asked to pay more and more for worse and worse services? I’m not gonna be a part of it.
I’d be fine with ads and even paying if the creators weren’t treated like trash and the number of ads weren’t ridiculously obtrusive.
It’s hard to imagine that situation wouldn’t always lead us here. The advertiser-centric internet has got to go.
Unfortunately that’s always the end result as never ending greed will always lead companies there
I’ll never be okay with ads *on social media. They’re invasive and serve no purpose. I know the psychology behind it but if you’re the type of person to buy something just because you saw an ad I think you need mental help.
*Edited for clarity. I know some advertising is necessary but not ads on social media
serve no purpose
Now that part is objectively incorrect
You’re not wrong like I said I know the psychology behind it I suppose I meant the types of online advertisements YouTube uses for example. It’s one thing to advertise new products. It’s another thing entirely to watch another ad about banking or shit like that.
Yea, their algorithm has gotten really bad for me. The new to you tag is a little better but it’s still not great.
Firefox
